On some people's request I'm going to make some clarifications. I'm doing this without having read most of the thread to prevent bias:
- Surtur is full sized
- "loosely aware of Superman's abilities" = read this: "He's ridiculously fast, like Thor would look like a statue to him, he has insane strength and durability, lasers can shoot from his eyes, frost breath from his mouth, and oh he's vulnerable to this green substance called kryptonite." They then get two minutes to discuss tactics (assume a level of cooperation).
- Superman can watch every MCU movie as much as he wants and gets as much time as he wants to formulate his tactics.
- The MCU gets to start anywhere they want in NYC proper, while Superman can starts 1,000 feet above Times Square. Both are aware of the others' starting locations.
- They are both given a 5 second countdown during which they have their arms by their sides and can't do anything.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Technically, that gif doesn't exactly prove much except he was flying towards a camera then away from it. Considering the speed at which he passes by the point of view, he's not really moving that fast. If he was moving anywhere near mach speeds he should have zipped by ridiculously fast once he crossed our point of view.
NemeBro's stupidity pointed time and time again.
I wonder if he is good at anything else that isnt spitting shit from his mouth.
Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.reelhounds.com/uploads/1/7/3/8/17382151/superman-flying-around-the-world_orig.gifPictured: mach 2-3 apparently, according to a six hundred pound fatass with dick-cheese covered micropenis.
Nice you didnt address my post/evidence. Concession accepted, Superman didnt travel from Canada to Africa in seconds.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So can we all at least agree that Josh is a retard for trying to argue that a character who can fly from the middle of the Indian ocean to Metropolis in about a minute can only fly at mach 2-3? A character who we see can reach the upper atmosphere in seconds in his fight with Zod.He's a total retard, with virtually no dick and a great sagging belly caked in cheeto grease.
We can agree you are ignorant when Superman is concerned
A youtuber called Gubz, who does a lot of these types of videos, did a calc on his speed. Jump to about 13:20.
Make of it what you will.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
A youtuber called Gubz, who does a lot of these types of videos, did a calc on his speed. Jump to about 13:20.Make of it what you will.
Mach 27.5 Aye. I brought this same youtuber in my previous posts.
I disagree with this numbers however, since he took the time lapse between Superman Resurrecting and reaching Doomsday literal.
Time between cutscenes shouldnt be taken literal.
And even if he is right, Superman is still not traveling the world in secs like NemeBro and H1 are claiming.
Well, that's why I said make of it what you will.
But we can look at it from a different angle. Wonder Woman was capable of perceiving and deflecting shots from a Mauser Gewehr 1898 during the trench scene in her solo film. Those, IIRC, use 7.92x57mm ammo, which have a muzzle velocity of roundabout 800 to 820 m/s. Yet she clearly can't keep up with Flash or Supes if they are going at their fastest. It still doesn't give us an exact number for their speed though.
Here is the source for the weapon reference:
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_(2017)#Mauser_Gewehr_1898
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, that's why I said make of it what you will.But we can look at it from a different angle. Wonder Woman was capable of perceiving and deflecting shots from a Mauser Gewehr 1898 during the trench scene in her solo film. Those, IIRC, use 7.92x57mm ammo, which have a muzzle velocity of roundabout 800 to 820 m/s. Yet she clearly can't keep up with Flash or Supes if they are going at their fastest. It still doesn't give us an exact number for their speed though.
Agree.
She is what? Mach 1?
Superman being Mach 2-3 would still do the trick.
Not really. 800 m/s = Mach 2.3.
She was able to perceive and track their motion, as seen at 1:19.
Compare that to 1:25 here:
Her expression doesn't even shift while Barry is doing his thing.
Being only Mach 3 wouldn't account for such a big visible disparity.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not really. 800 m/s = Mach 2.3.She was able to perceive and track their motion, as seen at 1:19.
Compare that to 1:25 here:
Her expression doesn't even shift while Barry is doing his thing.
Being only Mach 3 wouldn't account for such a big visible disparity.
You are taking it as if Diana's speed is equal to the bullets.
Her reflexes can perceive the bullets and track them. Block them. But that doesnt mean Diana can herself run at such speeds.
The Samurai could never run at such speeds.
Furthermore:
Gubz, the same one you posted, estimated the sword falling scene at a mach 5. Which i dont disagree.
I can accept a mach 5 for Superman. But a mach 27.5 is just BS.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're only allowed to "clarify" in the first few posts, so h1 crying to you isn't going to change anything.
1. I didn’t cry to him.
2. Clarify =/= change
Op is not allowed to CHANGE the conditions. He can always CLARIFY anything that is vague.
“Knowledge of the characters” means, minimally, he knows their capability. It’s common sense tbh.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are taking it as if Diana's speed is equal to the bullets.Her reflexes can perceive the bullets and track them. Block them. But that doesnt mean Diana can herself run at such speeds.
The Samurai could never run at such speeds.
Furthermore:
Gubz, the same one you posted, estimated the sword falling scene at a mach 5. Which i dont disagree.
I can accept a mach 5 for Superman. But a mach 27.5 is just BS.
Where, at any point, did I say she can run as fast as a bullet in that post? I didn't. Please don't make things up. However, she can very clearly also move at superhuman speed, from around 2:35 onwards:
And the entire point was her perception allows her to track supersonic objects, like bullets, yet she seemingly couldn't even register the Flash in that scene.
So, Mach 5 is fine but Mach 27.5 is BS, even though both numbers are from the same guy? Well, okay then.
Ok, let's do some math then. Let's give Superman the benefit of the doubt and assume he's capable of 30x mach speed. That's assuming he can immediately hit that max speed at soon as he moves.
As Ellimist clarified, the MCU can start anywhere within NYC while Superman is hovering above Times Square. Let's assume that Thanos is located 15 miles away from Superman.
Now, mach speed = 343 m/s. If Superman is 30x mach speed then that's = 10,290 m/s
1 mile = 1609.34 meters which means Thanos is 24140.2 meters away from Superman in my (very conservative) scenario.
What this means is it will take Superman 2.3 seconds to get to Thanos... more than enough time for Thanos to turn Superman into dust, into bubbles, create a shield made of Kryptonite around him, etc.
And this is assuming Superman doesn't get hindered by obstacles along the way and that Thanos didn't find a further hiding place from Superman.
I had a random thought though. How would Karnak's bullshittery psuedo-precog/weakpoint analysis factor in. I mean he clearly isn't even remotely strong enough to hurt Supes on his own, but his nonsense plot-device powers could prove useful in terms of info/tactics, especially with 2 minutes to chat.
That ability is so broken even the writers knew it, so they had to cook up a scenario where he picked up a head injury in the very first episode IIRC, which gimped his powers for 99% of the show, or he would have been able to solve pretty much all the problems himself.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. I didn't cry to him.
2. Clarify =/= changeOp is not allowed to CHANGE the conditions. He can always CLARIFY anything that is vague.
"Knowledge of the characters" means, minimally, he knows their capability. It’s common sense tbh.
Wrong. besides even if usually true, his "clarification" included things that weren't in the OP. so it counts as a change which is against board rules.
Now, stop being dishonest.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Where, at any point, did I say she can run as fast as a bullet in that post? I didn't. Please don't make things up. However, she can very clearly also move at superhuman speed, from around 2:35 onwards:And the entire point was her perception allows her to track supersonic objects, like bullets, yet she seemingly couldn't even register the Flash in that scene.
So, Mach 5 is fine but Mach 27.5 is BS, even though both numbers are from the same guy? Well, okay then.
And why should we assume Diana cant perceive Flash/Superman?
In both scenes she is falling. She cant run or move. Doesnt mean she cant see whats going on.
And still a mach 5 would fall beyond her abilities
Gubz himself claimed he took the time as 1min, ergo the numbers are hypothetical since time between cutscenes isnt literal.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok, let's do some math then. Let's give Superman the benefit of the doubt and assume he's capable of 30x mach speed. That's assuming he can immediately hit that max speed at soon as he moves.As Ellimist clarified, the MCU can start anywhere within NYC while Superman is hovering above Times Square. Let's assume that Thanos is located 15 miles away from Superman.
Now, mach speed = 343 m/s. If Superman is 30x mach speed then that's = 10,290 m/s
1 mile = 1609.34 meters which means Thanos is 24140.2 meters away from Superman in my (very conservative) scenario.What this means is it will take Superman 2.3 seconds to get to Thanos... more than enough time for Thanos to turn Superman into dust, into bubbles, create a shield made of Kryptonite around him, etc.
And this is assuming Superman doesn't get hindered by obstacles along the way and that Thanos didn't find a further hiding place from Superman.
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Assuming he is even mach 10
Originally posted by FrothByteIsn't the soul stone what Thanos used to get in sync with/aware of all of the souls in the universe? If Thanos cant use the stones simultaneously, he shouldn't be able to track Supes around the city while also bending reality to change Supes specifically. He can do one or the other but not both at the same time. Up till the exact moment when Thanos got the soul stone, he had to actually see the people he fought with to interact with them (and if Supes is that close, it's already over for Thanos). Plus, the effects of the reality stone seemed to be temporary without the other stones for some reason if that scene with the Guardians is anything to go off of. Thanos only being able to use a single stone at a time should severely gimp it's capabilities from what was shown at the end of the movie to potentially less than what was shown before that.
Ok, let's do some math then. Let's give Superman the benefit of the doubt and assume he's capable of 30x mach speed. That's assuming he can immediately hit that max speed at soon as he moves.As Ellimist clarified, the MCU can start anywhere within NYC while Superman is hovering above Times Square. Let's assume that Thanos is located 15 miles away from Superman.
Now, mach speed = 343 m/s. If Superman is 30x mach speed then that's = 10,290 m/s
1 mile = 1609.34 meters which means Thanos is 24140.2 meters away from Superman in my (very conservative) scenario.What this means is it will take Superman 2.3 seconds to get to Thanos... more than enough time for Thanos to turn Superman into dust, into bubbles, create a shield made of Kryptonite around him, etc.
And this is assuming Superman doesn't get hindered by obstacles along the way and that Thanos didn't find a further hiding place from Superman.
Also, this isn't specifically for you Froth, but I think we should argue this thread with OPs clarifications in mind. Sure, it's possibly against the rules, but if we don't it also means no one including Thanos is aware of Supes weakness to Kryptonite. The OP stated they're loosely aware of his abilities, not his weakness. This is one of the areas OP further clarified and it's one that factors in to this thread in a big way. Plus OP starting a new thread with the clarifications is kind of a waste of time and makes this thread pointless.
