Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Nah not really. Surfer have tons of quadrillion-sextillion feats. I'll try to post them tomorrow, but where has Post crisis superman even come close to scale/range of speed anyway?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh just that fast? Superman traveled across the universe within 60 days when the DC universe is at least two hundred trillion lightyears across.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Sure, let's take a a speed feat the Silver Surfer did, where he crossed 500,000 light years in the time it took him to finish his conversation with Legacy1-The narrator states that Surfer is "half a million" lightyears away (500,000) from the standoff (where Tyrant is battling Galactus) when he starts to take off towards them...
Thats the distance
2. As for the time frame, no specific one was given. All we know is Surfer crossed that distance in the time it took him to finish his conversation with Legacy. Which, upon reading their dialogue and timing it, comes out to about 30 seconds
---> Therefore, Silver Surfer traveled 500,000 lightyears in half a minute
For the calculator that I use from this site (http://www.1728.org/velocity.htm) I have to 1st convert 500,000 lightyears to miles
- 500,000 lightyears = 2.939e18 (quintillion) miles
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-ly-to...
Now take the Distance (2.939e18 miles) and the Time (30 seconds) and input into this site...
http://www.1728.org/velocity.htm
And it shows that the speed required to cross 500,000 lightyears in 30 seconds would be 9.7980e16 miles per second (97.9 quadrillion mps)
However, that is just the bare minimum he can achieve. Over 525 billion x LS is a low estimate because the scans reveal further context in regards to his speed
Just 500000 lightyears? Crossing 200 trillion lightyears in 60 days means Superman traveled across 38580246.9 lightyears in each second.
So Superman is literally hundreds of times faster than Surfer at his best showing.
Originally posted by carver9
Batman accessing connection into the speed force was able to travel in time using the Batmobile.https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159413-batman+-+the+red+death+%282017-%29+001-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159415-batman+-+the+red+death+%282017-%29+001-010.jpgGot this from a buddy...
The speed is needed for different reason, it was stated in Blue Beetle #13 by Terri Magnus (Flash of the Future, has Speed Force powers, slower than Mach 10.000, can't time travel on her own speed) that super speed is used to super-speed treadmill to maximum chronosity (Batman did the same with below speed of sound batmobile 😄), and the cosmic rays (or other form of energy, in this instance it was Blue Beetle's scarab) push the tachyon level to the limit, which creates high-frequency vibrations inside them and makes them travel through time.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159425-blue+beetle+%282016-%29+013-005.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/6159426-blue+beetle+%282016-%29+013-004.jpg
This is just hilarious, you're copy/pasting an argument which was already debunked.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Last page bump.Are you sure you are literate? Batman used Flash speed to go into speed force. He used cosmic treadmill to steal Flash speed.
I mean how dumb are you?
"It only works off kinetic energy".
There you go my illiterate comicvine friend.
Could you show us where cosmic energy makes it travel through time?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention that the treadmill my illiterate comicvine friend is posting comes from 31st century and is in no way related to Flash cosmic treadmill which he built by seeing it in past.Also in current continuity, you can't travel in time by treadmill even if you are running at lightspeed.
There is no low you will not stoop to, is it?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just 500000 lightyears? Crossing 200 trillion lightyears in 60 days means Superman traveled across 38580246.9 lightyears in each second.So Superman is literally hundreds of times faster than Surfer at his best showing.
that was a massive low end. I'm not done yet.
Here's the 1st scan again
At 500,000 lightyears away, he starts to head towards the battle, just as the narrator states
They begin their 30 second conversation the moment he takes off. Now, notice his last sentence to Legacy...
Surfer states "Hold on tight! We're (about) to hit warp speed"
Warp speed is going faster than light FOR REFERENCE
That means for the 30 seconds of dialogue they had, Surfer was not going faster than light until his last sentence to Legacy. Therefore, he was only going light speed or less, during the conversation. Also, a scan from the previous issue, #108, shows he already started making his way towards Galactus prior to the Narrators statement. This adds an extra 10 seconds of dialogue
So the next step here is to find out how far he traveled before he hit warp speed (FTL)
Considering he was traveling at LS (186,282 miles per second) http://www.space.com/15830-light-speed.html
Or just below it during those 40 seconds...
That would mean before he hit warp speed, he had already crossed 7,451,300 miles
Which means he still had over 2.93 quintillion miles (499,999 lightyears) to cross prior to hitting Warp Speed
Here's the work shown:
500,000 lightyears (total distance)
Equals
2.9393964248787e18 miles
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-ly-to...
.
2.9393964248787e18 miles
Minus
7,451,300 miles (distance crossed before Warp Speed)
Equals
2.9393964248712487e18 miles
.
2.9393964248712487e18 miles
Equals
499,999 lightyears
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-mile-to...
Now that we know the distance left for him to travel, let's look at the Warp Speed scan
Look at something the narrator states
"Galaxies streak past them in a blur"
onsidering he had 499,999 lightyears to travel when he hit warp speed, I'd say the number of galaxies that he traveled across are about 4 or 5, since our own galaxy is 100,000 lightyears in diameter
https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/.../cosmic/milkyway_info.html
(Of course assuming those galaxies he streaked by are the size of our Milky Way)
Regardless, the most important key information is what the narrator stated after
"... before the minds of these two cosmic powers have a chance to fully comprehend the esoteric beauty of the universe that laid before them-"
And then Surfer arrives at the destination:
This is interesting because what that is basically saying is Silver Surfer was moving so fast that he didn't have time to fully process what he saw on the way there
That gives us a good clue on the amount of time it took for him to cross that 499,999 lightyears using Warp Speed. T
That means in just barely less than a microsecond, he crossed 499,999 lightyears (2.93 quintillion miles)
That puts his speed at 2.93 septillion miles per second
Which is over 15 quintillion x the speed of light
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-speed-from-mps-to-c.html?val=2.9394e24
But I'M NOT DONE
as stated, before he was not able to fully comprehend the passing galaxies before he already arrived at his destination
Further discovery of his abilities show that the Silver Surfer can actually process things in a "Nanosecond"
Marvel Comics Presents v1 #1
Another example of his Nanosecond processing speed
Silver Surfer v3 #143
As shown by the scans, Silver Surfer can process things in a Nanosecond. But as stated, before he was not able to fully comprehend the passing galaxies before he already arrived at his destination
That means in just barely less than a nanosecond, he crossed 499,999 lightyears (2.93 quintillion miles)
That puts his speed at 2.9394e27 mi/s
(2.93 octillion miles per second)
Which is over 15 sextillion times the speed of light
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-speed-from-mps-to-c.html?val=2.9394e27
So, no Superman isn't faster than PERIOD. no speed feat he's performed in Post crisis comes close to this, but I'll wait for a "better" one LMAO.
hurry up
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂This is just hilarious, you're copy/pasting an argument which was already debunked.
There is no low you will not stoop to, is it?
the argument carver copied is right though
if you want an explanation of how the treadmill works you have to go to pre crisis for an explanation as one was never presented in post crisis
" "at superspeed you automatically vibrate" "it's necessary to keep up that vibration""
https://imgur.com/a/YzmvjNX
"use superspeed to keep up with the treadmill to reach the proper vibration". only speed needed to match the treadmill's vibration is required to match a certain frequency
Your scan doesn't explain how the treadmill works and it never stated it requires ftl movement either only explanation is provided in pre crisis
"I accelerated my vibrations along the treadmill"
Kinetic energy occurs when you move and vibration requires kinetic energy Hunter can't work it because he doesn't move fast he uses time manipulation to appear faster.
Also, Superspeed is only used to get the treadmill vibrating and then you have to vibrate yourself matching the frequency.
The rogues were able to do this by hacking the treadmill last time i checked
explained right here top right hand corner:
The treadmill itself isn't moving at ftl speed at least that's not what is stated it's stated they move at superspeed and the treadmill starts vibrating.
They then have to vibrate to match the treadmill's frequency to time travel.
If you are moving at light speed or faster than light and don't match the vibrational frequency it won't work.
so yeah, get your facts straight. Carv's right kid
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
that was a massive low end. I'm not done yet.Here's the 1st scan again
At 500,000 lightyears away, he starts to head towards the battle, just as the narrator states
They begin their 30 second conversation the moment he takes off. Now, notice his last sentence to Legacy...
Surfer states "Hold on tight! We're (about) to hit warp speed"
Warp speed is going faster than light FOR REFERENCE
That means for the 30 seconds of dialogue they had, Surfer was not going faster than light until his last sentence to Legacy. Therefore, he was only going light speed or less, during the conversation. Also, a scan from the previous issue, #108, shows he already started making his way towards Galactus prior to the Narrators statement. This adds an extra 10 seconds of dialogue
So the next step here is to find out how far he traveled before he hit warp speed (FTL)
Considering he was traveling at LS (186,282 miles per second) http://www.space.com/15830-light-speed.html
Or just below it during those 40 seconds...
That would mean before he hit warp speed, he had already crossed 7,451,300 miles
Which means he still had over 2.93 quintillion miles (499,999 lightyears) to cross prior to hitting Warp Speed
Here's the work shown:
500,000 lightyears (total distance)
Equals
2.9393964248787e18 miles
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-ly-to....
2.9393964248787e18 miles
Minus
7,451,300 miles (distance crossed before Warp Speed)
Equals
2.9393964248712487e18 miles
.
2.9393964248712487e18 miles
Equals
499,999 lightyears
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-length-from-mile-to...Now that we know the distance left for him to travel, let's look at the Warp Speed scan
Look at something the narrator states
"Galaxies streak past them in a blur"
onsidering he had 499,999 lightyears to travel when he hit warp speed, I'd say the number of galaxies that he traveled across are about 4 or 5, since our own galaxy is 100,000 lightyears in diameter
https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/.../cosmic/milkyway_info.html
(Of course assuming those galaxies he streaked by are the size of our Milky Way)
Regardless, the most important key information is what the narrator stated after
"... before the minds of these two cosmic powers have a chance to fully comprehend the esoteric beauty of the universe that laid before them-"
And then Surfer arrives at the destination:
This is interesting because what that is basically saying is Silver Surfer was moving so fast that he didn't have time to fully process what he saw on the way there
That gives us a good clue on the amount of time it took for him to cross that 499,999 lightyears using Warp Speed. T
That means in just barely less than a microsecond, he crossed 499,999 lightyears (2.93 quintillion miles)
That puts his speed at 2.93 septillion miles per second
Which is over 15 quintillion x the speed of light
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-speed-from-mps-to-c.html?val=2.9394e24
But I'M NOT DONE
as stated, before he was not able to fully comprehend the passing galaxies before he already arrived at his destination
Further discovery of his abilities show that the Silver Surfer can actually process things in a "Nanosecond"
Marvel Comics Presents v1 #1
Another example of his Nanosecond processing speed
Silver Surfer v3 #143
As shown by the scans, Silver Surfer can process things in a Nanosecond. But as stated, before he was not able to fully comprehend the passing galaxies before he already arrived at his destination
That means in just barely less than a nanosecond, he crossed 499,999 lightyears (2.93 quintillion miles)
That puts his speed at 2.9394e27 mi/s
(2.93 octillion miles per second)Which is over 15 sextillion times the speed of light
https://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-speed-from-mps-to-c.html?val=2.9394e27
So, no Superman isn't faster than PERIOD. no speed feat he's performed in Post crisis comes close to this, but I'll wait for a "better" one LMAO.
hurry up
It was a distance of 500000 lightyears only and he used hyperspace to go there. It doesn't means he went there in less than a nanosecond because he can perceive nanoseconds. You know why, it's never shown or stated.
What an atrocious argument though. This one tops even use Google one.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Copy/pasting arguments from comicvine wouldn't help you.It was a distance of 500000 lightyears only and he used hyperspace to go there. It doesn't means he went there in less than a nanosecond because he can perceive nanoseconds. You know why, it's never shown or stated.
What an atrocious argument though. This one tops even use Google one.
what? That was my OWN calc, and you KNOW I've calced plenty of times so stop.
lmao "use hyperspace" it's a travel speed feat. where did Superman come close to this?
Oh, yeah that's right. he didnt
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
what? That was my OWN calc, and you KNOW I've calced plenty of times so stop.lmao "use hyperspace" it's a travel speed feat. where did Superman come close to this?
Oh, yeah that's right. he didnt
Could you let is know where a nanosecond is specifically stated? Because Genis Vell definitely isn't nanosecond level speed.
OMG When will posters learn that you cannot really compare any two characters simply by comparing their highest feats, as best empirically measured. There are so many reasons why this is just misguided.
In the comics, I'd bet that Surfer has faster space travel speed. But you can't infer combat speed, even if it makes sense to do so.
Superman is far faster in terms of true super speed.
Travel speed on Earth or a planet would be a tossup. I'd probably lean Superman as planet-bound speed is often more related to your super speed than your space travel speed. But it could go either way in this case.
Surfer travels from Earth halfway across the universe.
According to wikipedia, observable universe is 92 billion light years in diametre.
The Narration describes the speed traveled in a "Few minutes"
So, a distance of 8.76×10^26 m,
- 1 light year: 9.46×10^15 m
.
https://www.google.com/search...
.
The speed needed to travel 8.76×10^26 in 60 seconds , is 1.46×10^25 m/s about about 4.86×10^16 times the speed of light
It places him at about 48.6 quadrillion times the speed of light
