Surfer vs Superman speed battle

Originally posted by SquallX

Are you gonna this dumb?!

Do you have any idea how retarted you sound?

Newsflash genius. For a character like Surfer to move that fast, he’s reflexes needs to be just as fast. Of they weren't, Surfer would be a ping pong ball in space. Why? Because every time he flies at such speed, he would be running to every asteroids or planets in path.

Also, the reason Surfer doesn’t fight at his traveling speed is becuse of pis/Cis. Not because he can’t.

I honestly don’t know why you’re using the same idiotic reasoning all the time. You’ve been here long enough to know better.

Space is huge.
If a human traveled 1600 times the speed of light towards the Sun then they would have the reactions to avoid the Sun.

The average distance between asteroids is 600,000 miles. The average size of an asteroid is less than 0.6 mile. If you flew blindly into an asteroid field then the chance you would hit an asteroid is less than 1/500,000.
In the unlikely chance that you are going to hit an asteroid say traveling at 10x the speed of light then you still can react in time , as a human, to avoid the asteroid.

Planets have an even larger distance between them. And with only human reactions, you can avoid hitting a planet traveling multiple times the speed of light.

The distance between stars is even more astronomical. The chance to hit a star or asteroid or planet while traveling BLINDLY through the galaxy from one star system to the next is on the order of 1 in 1 billion. And don’t get me started on how many times faster than light a human can travel while still having the reflexes to avoid shit (in the very unlikely event that they are about to hit something).

In short, traveling speed alone doesn’t determine reflexe speed or combat speed.

Note: Superman has traveled many galaxies away under his own power in a matter of moments.

Superman has had a long casual conversation while walking and unloosening his tie (all casually done) within the fraction of a nanosecond.

Superman perceived time frozen for a very long time when he and Flash had a long conversation in the diner.

Superman has not only reacted to light speed attacks but vibrated intangible to phase through them (after they were fired at him).

Superman perceived swampthing moving faster than light within a few inches of travel.

As far as travel speed, Superman has flown to OA and Rao (which are many galaxies away) under his own power in a matter of moments. This should match Surfer's top feats of travel speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman has had a long casual conversation while walking and unloosening his tie (all casually done) within the fraction of a nanosecond.

Superman perceived time frozen for a very long time when he and Flash had a long conversation in the diner.

Superman has not only reacted to light speed attacks but vibrated intangible to phase through them (after they were fired at him).

Superman perceived swampthing moving faster than light within a few inches of travel.

As far as travel speed, Superman has flown to OA and Rao (which are many galaxies away) under his own power in a matter of moments. This should match Surfer's top feats of travel speed.

"Superman has flown to OA and Rao (which are many galaxies away) under his own power in a matter of moments. "

and How is that even in the quadrillion srange?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just to let you know, two issues later it was revealed that Surfer couldn't get near to half the distance of universe at his maximum speed in billions of years (lifespan of stars)

SS 111.

"A THEORY"

"THEORY"

As far as the universe thing goes, your scan states it's a (theory) that it would take him that long to cross half the universe. Your own scan says (theory)

So let's test that theory out

The diameter of the observable universe is 93 billion lightyears

-Half of it (radius) would be 46.5 billion lightyears

-The lifespan of stars is about 10 billion years

-So according to the Elders theories, it would take SS 10 billion years to cross 46.5 billion lightyears?

Well considering 46.5 billion lightyears is equal to 2.73e23 miles....

That means according to their theory, they're saying SS maximum speed is 865,080 miles per second Which is 4.6x the speed of light

Now if you compare that anyone of my calculations... You'll see that 4.6x the speed of light falls tremendously lower than what he can actually do, and cannot possibly be maximum speed

Therefore, that (theory) is wrong. PERIOD. Even if you don't agree with the nanosecond thing, even under my 30 seconds calc, he is still far faster than that (theory) of him being only 4.6x FTL at max. PERIOD.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
He went faster then Genis could fully perceive it all.

during that point Genis was able to fly at light speed. Then he eventually bonded with the nega bands and was able to fly multiple times light speed. Like able to fly from earth to the shiar in seconds

Both were simultaneously unable to perceive everything at once.

Doesn't mean it happens within a nanosecond.

Also I accept your concession seeing you didn't address this. atleast know how the cosmic treadmill work before claiming carv was wrong

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
the argument carver copied is right though

if you want an explanation of how the treadmill works you have to go to pre crisis for an explanation as one was never presented in post crisis

" "at superspeed you automatically vibrate" "it's necessary to keep up that vibration""
https://imgur.com/a/YzmvjNX

"use superspeed to keep up with the treadmill to reach the proper vibration". only speed needed to match the treadmill's vibration is required to match a certain frequency

https://imgur.com/a/YLLgK5h

Your scan doesn't explain how the treadmill works and it never stated it requires ftl movement either only explanation is provided in pre crisis

"I accelerated my vibrations along the treadmill"

https://imgur.com/a/sCb6KlI

Kinetic energy occurs when you move and vibration requires kinetic energy Hunter can't work it because he doesn't move fast he uses time manipulation to appear faster.

Also, Superspeed is only used to get the treadmill vibrating and then you have to vibrate yourself matching the frequency.
The rogues were able to do this by hacking the treadmill last time i checked

https://imgur.com/a/1LU8nHb

explained right here top right hand corner:

https://imgur.com/a/XjNyB11

The treadmill itself isn't moving at ftl speed at least that's not what is stated it's stated they move at superspeed and the treadmill starts vibrating.
They then have to vibrate to match the treadmill's frequency to time travel.
If you are moving at light speed or faster than light and don't match the vibrational frequency it won't work.

so yeah, get your facts straight. Carv's right kid

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Also I accept your concession seeing you didn't address this. atleast know how the cosmic treadmill work before claiming carv was wrong

You mean using pre crisis scans which are no longer canon?

😂

How is it no longer canon? and that's the only explanation to how to the treadmill works. something i haven't seen from post crisis yet, and it was never confirmed that you need FTL movement in current continuity to use the treadmill

We already got an explanation on what the Cosmic treadmill does

Holy hell, you need to be banned for lying

Originally posted by xJLxKing
We already got an explanation on what the Cosmic treadmill does

Holy hell, you need to be banned for lying

No, I mean post crisis haven't confirmed that it needs FTL speed to use it

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
How is it no longer canon? and that's the only explanation to how to the treadmill works. something i haven't seen from post crisis yet, and it was never confirmed that you need FTL movement in current continuity to use the treadmill

No, your scans aren't canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I've already given it.

No, your scans aren't canon.

you've used pre crisis scans tons of time for post crisis, stop being a hypocrite.

"i've already given you it"

where?

Kinetic energy occurs when you move and vibration requires kinetic energy Hunter can't work it because he doesn't move fast he uses time manipulation to appear faster

and I read Action comics #993, and it never mentioned anything about lightspeed or FTL. stop lying

Here let me also expose Abhi lies about XS going lightspeed couldn't time travel on the treadmill

The entire purpose of having Jenni hit approach lightspeed on the treadmill, as well as having Lightning Lass, Light Lass, Garth Rannz and Lightning Lad, was to bring Bart Allen back.. Which was Braniac's PLAN

Again, the entire point of having Jenni approach lightspeed on the treadmill, and having those 4 characters blast energy directly into the treadmill as Jenni was running on it, was to bring Bart back

But you left out those panels so nobody would figure the ACTUAL context out eh? classic Abhi, this is why you had me on ignore, because everytime we dance it's always me tearing apart your arguments in public. and you HATE it lmao

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"A THEORY"

"THEORY"

As far as the universe thing goes, your scan states it's a (theory) that it would take him that long to cross half the universe. Your own scan says (theory)

So let's test that theory out

The diameter of the observable universe is 93 billion lightyears

-Half of it (radius) would be 46.5 billion lightyears

-The lifespan of stars is about 10 billion years

-So according to the Elders theories, it would take SS 10 billion years to cross 46.5 billion lightyears?

Well considering 46.5 billion lightyears is equal to 2.73e23 miles....

That means according to their theory, they're saying SS maximum speed is 865,080 miles per second Which is 4.6x the speed of light

Now if you compare that anyone of my calculations... You'll see that 4.6x the speed of light falls tremendously lower than what he can actually do, and cannot possibly be maximum speed

Therefore, that (theory) is wrong. PERIOD. Even if you don't agree with the nanosecond thing, even under my 30 seconds calc, he is still far faster than that (theory) of him being only 4.6x FTL at max. PERIOD.

and still waiting for you to address this LMAO!

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Surfer travels from Earth halfway across the universe.
According to wikipedia, observable universe is 92 billion light years in diametre.
The Narration describes the speed traveled in a "Few minutes"
So, a distance of 8.76×10^26 m,
- 1 light year: 9.46×10^15 m
.
https://www.google.com/search...
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The speed needed to travel 8.76×10^26 in 60 seconds , is 1.46×10^25 m/s about about 4.86×10^16 times the speed of light
It places him at about 48.6 quadrillion times the speed of light

https://imgur.com/p3sWez4

Oh, and THIS aswell. where's the comparable/superior speed feat from superman to this?

I'll be waiting. you need step your game up son

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
you've used pre crisis scans tons of time for post crisis, stop being a hypocrite.

"i've already given you it"

where?

The pre crisis scans are referenced post crisis.

Here you go.

Pre crisis scan, retconned in Flash Rebirth where it was only used for directions and you need to use speed to move through time. That's why Zoom couldn't travel through time by his own time related abilities.

Barry states that he followed the tachyon trail of the treadmill which means the treadmill has to go FTL to travel through time.

And its fuelled by kinetic energy.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and I read Action comics #993, and it never mentioned anything about lightspeed or FTL. stop lying

Here let me also expose Abhi lies about XS going lightspeed couldn't time travel on the treadmill

The entire purpose of having Jenni hit approach lightspeed on the treadmill, as well as having Lightning Lass, Light Lass, Garth Rannz and Lightning Lad, was to bring Bart Allen back.. Which was Braniac's PLAN

Again, the entire point of having Jenni approach lightspeed on the treadmill, and having those 4 characters blast energy directly into the treadmill as Jenni was running on it, was to bring Bart back

But you left out those panels so nobody would figure the ACTUAL context out eh? classic Abhi, this is why you had me on ignore, because everytime we dance it's always me tearing apart your arguments in public. and you HATE it lmao

What part of that is misunderstood by you? Xs can go lightspeed but she still can't travel in time to which she needs help of Barry Allen.

I mean, are you really this dumb? That scan was only meant to show that even if you go lightspeed you can't go back in time with that.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and still waiting for you to address this LMAO!

I'm still waiting where nanosecond is mentioned in SS 109.