Originally posted by SiniousAbeloth was just going to straight up destroy everything.
Based on what? Palpatine was planning on draining every living thing in the galaxy, and then do the same to other galaxies until there is nothing left. Read The Apotheosis of Palpatine and properly understand what a couple centuries with Palpatine means for the galaxy. 👆The idea of Palpatine spending centuries draining every living being his empire encounters and not surpassing Oneness Luke is beyond ludicrous.
So, Palpatine spending centuries to gain more and more power doesn't even add up to Krayt's abilities? 😂The fact that they could touch her means that she isn't some galaxy buster. She is still relatively close enough to be surpassed given enough time, which is a lot shorter for Palpatine.
Originally posted by Sinious
What does that even mean?
It means Abeloth is the bringer of chaos, and she was going to bring chaos to the universe. Also, the son and daughter are universe-level, and they're not as powerful as Abeloth, even combined.
Sinious is going totally Azronger here, but yeah, now that I think about it, if Palpatine went through with his "magocracy" plan, then he'd defenitely be able to defeat Abeloth.
But I've always hated that Palpatine. So, if we're going by the Palpatine that would never have gained "power of the ultimate sort," then he has a very small chance, though it is possible that through his other dark siders and his immense knowledge, he'd be able to put up some sort of a fight.
So, you guys are saying that Luke and Krayt can contend with universe level beings (in your case, Palps can as well), and I'm saying that these characters are inconceivably far from universe level, so Abeloth who is defeated by them can't really be universe level, but I'm the one who is pulling an Azronger here? Yep, that totally makes sense. 👆
Originally posted by ZentrexSo, in your post right before this one, you claim that Abeloth is above the combined powers of two universal beings, but now you're saying that she isn't universe level. Your stances change every 2 minutes because they're disgustingly illogical and therefore impossible to defend. That's probably why you try to survive via strawmans.
They had as much on their side as they possibly could, and still they got lucky with what happened. Abeloth may not be universe level, but she's far above the powers of Dark Empire Palpatine.
For example, I never said Abeloth isn't far above DE Sidious, but I did point out how he could easily become incomparably more powerful to the point where his mere presence would melt the likes of Luke and his DE self, especially if he is given a couple centuries to do it. If you actually are capable of reading, then read the Apotheosis link I provided earlier in this thread.
Abeloth is more powerful than the Son and the Daughter. The problem with "Universe level" statements is that we don't know how long it would take the Son and Daughter or Abeloth to tear apart the universe, but they could all do it. As shown from Abeloth's fight, however, they couldn't do it on the snap of a finger.
I know about Sidious' magocracy plan, I even admitted that if he went through with it, he might win, but as I said, if Sidious were to not go through with it and just maximize his potential as a mortal force wielder, then he would be about Dark Empire Palpatine level, if not a little greater. That's not enough to defeat Abeloth.
Technically, "all of space" may not be constricted to just a single third dimensional universe. If you really want to go there, you could argue that it's referring to all universes in the multiverse or even all of fourth dimensional space, which would mean Palpatine has infinite power and can consume all of time. Or it could mean all of fifth dimensional space and so Sidious would be beyond the concept of time entirely, making him already superior to Abeloth since time is irrelevant to him.
Just give up, Zentrex. You can't beat Sheev.
Originally posted by Sinious
Clearly, you're not familiar enough with what Palpatine's capable of:Given how you like to take such statements literally, I can't wait to see you defend Palpatine's universe tier powers from this point on. 👆
"All of space" doesn't have to mean "universe." It can mean lots of things. It tears the fabric of space itself, so it could be referring to the concept of space holistically.
Originally posted by Azronger
Technically, "all of space" may not be constricted to just a single third dimensional universe. If you [b]really want to go there, you could argue that it's referring to all universes in the multiverse or even all of fourth dimensional space, which would mean Palpatine has infinite power and can consume all of time. Or it could mean all of fifth dimensional space and so Sidious would be beyond the concept of time entirely, making him already superior to Abeloth since time is irrelevant to him.Just give up, Zentrex. You can't beat Sheev. [/B]
Seriously though, Palpatine's powerful, but Abeloth is meant to be a goddess, much more than any mere mortal, save for the Chosen One or the hypothetical "power of the ultimate sort" Palpatine, can ever be.
No, seriously. I mean, even Azronger has agreed that the Son is more powerful than Palpatine, and the Son is not as powerful as Abeloth. When you say that Palpatine's above Abeloth, you're not bringing Palpatine up, you're bringing Abeloth down. Unless you legit believe that non-magocracy Palpatine is universe level.
And that first (well, technically second) paragraph was a joke. Although I do believe that making Palpatine more powerful than literally the second most powerful character in the mythos robs him of his greatness, and as Rocky said, "incredibly stupid"
Dude, you take these sources literally when it comes to other characters, but try real hard not to when there is a source stating the same thing about Palpatine. We're simply pointing out your disgustingly transparent double standards, but you're too stupid to even understand the argument. The conclusion you should be reaching here is that none of these characters are anywhere near universe or even galaxy tier, which makes it possible for Palpatine to surpass them in the future given enough time, but you're still talking about how DE Sidious is inferior to Abeloth like anyone ever said otherwise. 😂
I don't think I'll waste my time with you any further. This is Nadd tier stuff.
Zentrex, if you call yourself a Sheevite, this idiocy stops now. You will prostrate yourself before His Imperial Majesty and beg for absolution of your sins. Otherwise you can forget about your place in my Sheevite academy. I'll teach you only if you're willing to learn. This current behavior is unacceptable.