Barry Allen vs. Wally West

Originally posted by panthergod
Yes he can.. Easily. 😂 wyd are you talking about?

Irrelevant. Versatlity is not tactical superiority.

Read his books. He's more creative knowledgeable and formidable.

But its a shame he's been nerfed for Wally Stans.

Wait, he's more creative, knowledgeable, and tactical, but can't do half the things Wally can, despite being the source of the SF? That makes sense.

Please show some scans of his tactical superiority, AND him casually time traveling with no treadmill, with focus (Wally doesn't need it to focus on specific points in time).

Ughhhh... Nothing worse than Flasshhats. I'd rather deal with Superfaaghs and Gammatards.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
It doesn’t have to make sense

Barry created the speed force..somehow
Before he did, the multiverse didn’t have a speed force? Probably some other energy? Idk it doesn’t make sense

What does make sense is barry>Wally.

Barry > Wally does not make any sense. It goes against the entire theme of the Flash books for like 30 years. It also doesn't make sense at the present moment, where Wally's ability to utilize various SF abilities and run faster is still consistent, despite him being in limbo for 5 years.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, he's more creative, knowledgeable, and tactical, but can't do half the things Wally can, despite being the source of the SF? That makes sense.

Yes, it does. Read his books. Wally needed the speed force upgrades since he never matched Barry in raw skill with speed.

Please show some scans of his tactical superiority, AND him casually time traveling with no treadmill, with focus (Wally doesn't need it to focus on specific points in time).

Barry can time travel, easily, period. to even question that is conclusive proof that you have nothing valid to say here. He built the Cosmic Treadmill for more precision.. but the point stands. Wally needed to breakthrough tpo mainline the speedforce, and learned more applications due to training with Max Mercury.

One thing that isn't being acknowledged is that the whole 'wally surpassed barry' thing is originally concerning a retconed nerfed 90s Post Crisis Barry that never actually existed before 1986. they have now merged that nerfed version with the Post flash Rebirth/Flashpoint Barry.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Barry > Wally does not make any sense. It goes against the entire theme of the Flash books for like 30 years. It also doesn't make sense at the present moment, where Wally's ability to utilize various SF abilities and run faster is still consistent, despite him being in limbo for 5 years.

Wally>Barry makes no sense, since the Barry he surpassed never existed in DC comics canon, and is a retconned nerfed cipher to give Wally a ideal he should overcome, not the real Barry, who was casually FTL, time traveling and dimension hopping.

Originally posted by panthergod
Yes, it does. Read his books. Wally needed the speed force upgrades since he never matched Barry in raw skill with speed.

I'm not going to do your work for you.

Barry can time travel, easily, period. to even question that is conclusive proof that you have nothing valid to say here. He built the Cosmic Treadmill for more precision.. but the point stands. Wally needed to breakthrough tpo mainline the speedforce, and learned more applications due to training with Max Mercury.

One thing that isn't being acknowledged is that the whole 'wally surpassed barry' thing is originally concerning a retconed nerfed 90s Post Crisis Barry that never actually existed before 1986. they have now merged that nerfed version with the Post flash Rebirth/Flashpoint Barry.

'Please back your stance up'
'NO. Use Google'

Lol.

Wally doesn't need the treadmill for precision. Barry does. Wally is more skilled.

The rest of your post is A red herring.

So what if Wally learnt more applications through training with Max? Does it have any bearing on a fight between Barry and Wally? No, lol.

Wally was trained by Max, brokethrough his personal barriers and surpassed Barry but none of that counts because that Barry wasn't the real one and training is bad (See: I don't like it. So it doesn't count. Classic Superman-type Faggotry)?

Wally is STILL surpassing Barry. It happened literally last week. If Wally was the main Flash, Barry wouldn't only be unable to keep up, he'd be getting lapped.

The best part was Supermoron failing to get their attention 😂

A certain poster whose name shall not be spoken reacted to it in this way:

Everything I said was a fact. Th cBarry Wally surpassed was NOT the same Barry that existed pre 86, and now that lesser Barrys limitations are being conflated with Post IC/Rebirth canon.

Of course, a Thorfag wouldn't be knowledgeable enough to comprehend what is being referred to.

Regardless, my statement stands. Barry is far superior tactically.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The best part was Supermoron failing to get their attention 😂

A certain poster whose name shall not be spoken reacted to it in this way:

😆

Originally posted by panthergod
He built the Cosmic Treadmill for more precision

Wally doesn't need it.

https://s5.postimg.cc/l9aoajp07/image.jpg

Without using the Cosmic Treadmill for focus. Wally can casually pinpoint exact moments in time, and travel to that time.

You really need to work on your pick-up lines, DS.

Bart is the best, that's all that really matters.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The best part was Supermoron failing to get their attention 😂

A certain poster whose name shall not be spoken reacted to it in this way:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wally doesn't need it.

https://s5.postimg.cc/l9aoajp07/image.jpg

Without using the Cosmic Treadmill for focus. Wally can casually pinpoint exact moments in time, and travel to that time.

OK..?

Was this supposed to contradict anything I stated..?

Barry can go FTL, time travel under his own power, and has been doing so since literally his first appearance.

Wally needed speed force manipualtion. Barry just used pure speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
'Please back your stance up'
'NO. Use Google'

Lol.

Wally doesn't need the treadmill for precision. Barry does. Wally is more skilled.

The rest of your post is A red herring.

Translation: You don't know shit about what I'm talking about, and cannot remotely address those facts.

Got it.

Wally overcome a Crisis retconeed Barry that never surpassed lightspeed until he died.

Meanwhile, in actuality Barry was FTL and time traveling under his ownj power since his first appearance.

So what if Wally learnt more applications through training with Max? Does it have any bearing on a fight between Barry and Wally? No, lol.

Lol you just sound like a dick, tbh.

Bump since this is one of the threads that has no stipulations. That means current versions of each character are considered by default.

So, who wins in a fight?

Wally is now cemented to be faster, I choose him.

Originally posted by panthergod
Translation: You don't know shit about what I'm talking about, and cannot remotely address those facts.

Got it.

Wally overcome a Crisis retconeed Barry that never surpassed lightspeed until he died.

Meanwhile, in actuality Barry was FTL and time traveling under his ownj power since his first appearance.

Its the distinction between versatility and tactics. Hsving a more versatile powerset does NOT mean you are a superior tactician.

1. Showcase number 4 isn't canon and hasn't been since 86. I very much doubt that's pertinent to the debate in question.

2. While IIRC Barry did time travel in that issue taking a criminal back to the far future who was using future weapons he never travelled FTL. I'm almost certain not stated he had to go close to that speed to travel time.

3. He had a lot of difficulty breaching the time barrier and for a while was running without moving at all. As I recall it that was the reason he came up with the cosmic treadmill.

4. What exactly does that have to do with Barry being better tactically as you claim. There were no tactics used.