Originally posted by DarkSaint85Simple and to the point. Can't find fault in that.
Wally is now cemented to be faster, I choose him.
But both Barry and Wally have had to deal with situations where they're confronting superior speed, right? Or has every single one of those situations always been resolved with, "They faster than me? Brrrrrr, now I go faster than them. I win."???
Wally could also speed steal and lend, which Barry couldn't do. He could also casually hop through time without the use of a treadmill.
The Speed force is also more intimately connected to Wally, iirc.
So he's not only faster, he's also more skilled. For Barry to win, it would have to be a hero worship CIS holding back thing where Wally hesitates too much.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Barry's never done either? Really? Barry's done stuff like move the timestream forward in a fight.
Wally could also speed steal and lend, which Barry couldn't do. He could also casually hop through time without the use of a treadmill.The Speed force is also more intimately connected to Wally, iirc.
So he's not only faster, he's also more skilled. For Barry to win, it would have to be a hero worship CIS holding back thing where Wally hesitates too much.
I was under the distinct impression that the comics portray Barry as literally being responsible for the Speedforce. Is that no longer the case?
Maybe. But Wally has definitely thrown that sort of hero worship in directly Barry's face when they've opposed each other. Not sure that sort of hero worship CIS applies any more.
He hasn't stolen speed afaik; that's a Wally special. Or lent speed. With the time travelling, I meant like really casual, like mid convo type stuff
I think Williamson retconned Barry being the progenitor of the Speed Force; now it just is a fundamental force of the univese/multiverse.
Yeah, agreed on that. I'm just trying to give Barry some advantage here
^ Really?
I was under the impression that Williamson was one of the authors that actually reinforced that notion. Maybe I am mixing the writers up.
After Flash War and Dark Knights: Death Metal, I think it's safe to say Wally has moved beyond that. Whether it happened in a healthy manner or not, could be argued. But yeah, Wally don't exactly go slack-jawed around Barry, no more.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He hasn't stolen speed afaik; that's a Wally special. Or lent speed.
Jay has also speed stolen and lent.
He stole Supes speed vs Abrakadabra,
BA's speed to time travel (without a treadmill), twice again for return.
When he took over training Bart he stole speed and lent it to Bart a few times (as if he used it he would risk a heart attack).
So not purely a Wally special.
Pretty sure Max Mercury has also used speed steal though I can't recall specifics.
Originally posted by beatboksOkie dokie.
He stole Supes speed vs Abrakadabra,
BA's speed to time travel (without a treadmill), twice again for return.
When he took over training Bart he stole speed and lent it to Bart a few times (as if he used it he would risk a heart attack).
So not purely a Wally special.
This is Wally's fight to lose.
In recent years, multiple sources have confirmed that Wally is the fastest being there is, period. As far as esoteric abilities are concerned, Wally has undoubtedly used the Speed-Force in ways that Barry never has -- and he's done so pretty consistently.
The only thing that might hinder Wally is if he starts fangirling over Barry during the fight... But I suppose the same could be said about Barry fangirling over Wally, so whatevs...
^ This is the particular part of the fight I was thinking of when considering this match-up between Barry and Wally:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Barry_vs_Thawne.jpg
I dunno, maybe a more knowledgeable poster will point out how that ain't sh1t compared to what Wally has done.
Also... I miss posting thumbnails... 🙁
^ I will work towards it in the short future. Do you have a sharp preference between those two hosting services?
Anyway, I hope I don't break the page. Here is the particular part of the fight I was thinking of when considering this match-up between Barry and Wally:
Does this merit any consideration when pitting Barry against Wally?
Originally posted by ODGToss a coin.
^ I will work towards it in the short future. Do you have a sharp preference between those two hosting services?
I've been using imgur for several years now. It has been pretty reliable for the most part, but occasionally images/links will randomly stop working for no apparent reason.
I haven't been using imgbb for quite as long, but have still noticed some of the same sporadic issues with links(there doesn't seem to be a perfect image hosting site, unfortunately)... Though I don't have a "Pro" account, so I suppose it's fully possible that paid accounts don't have any issues, ever.
Either are better than current PB, though. srug
Originally posted by ODGHmm.
Anyway, I hope I don't break the page. Here is the particular part of the fight I was thinking of when considering this match-up between Barry and Wally:Does this merit any consideration when pitting Barry against Wally?
Barry is essentially saying that he can accelerate time to some extent, and is worried that he might bust a hole in time/space if he runs too fast. I don't think that is beyond Wally's capabilities, no.
Originally posted by Galan007Reverse Flash, aka Professor Zoom, hasn't wrecked Wally before?
Barry is essentially saying that he can accelerate time to some extent, and is worried that he might bust a hole in time/space if he runs too fast. I don't think that is beyond Wally's capabilities, no.
I had the general impression that both Eobard Thawne and Hunter Solomon were held in higher regard than the Flashes.
