Interesting. I have another thing I want to ask but I won't take any more of your time on this subject.
I don't think even with the implication that Supes could have taken DD in OWAW, but that might just be me having the opinion that DD should always be above Supes. srug
Bendis is going to bring him back to kick the shit out of him isn't he?
Originally posted by One Big MobNow you're making me curious. Ask away.
Interesting. I have another thing I want to ask but I won't take any more of your time on this subject.I don't think even with the implication that Supes could have taken DD in OWAW, but that might just be me having the opinion that DD should always be above Supes. srug
Bendis is going to bring him back to kick the shit out of him isn't he?
I think Bendis will present them as threats when they appear [if he doesn't want a pet new villain to outshine them], but I also expect at least some to get Nefaria'd, and Superman to steamroll them at some point, maybe towards the end of his run when he gets burned out.
Bendis writing Mxy would unironically be a highlight of the run, if it happens. I can only imagine.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaBasically if you think Superman should be locked to that mindset being his "max" however many years after. And, if Superman should be better capable of accessing that power without entering a special state after his experience. Different writers and time and all. Plus Doomsday in itself.
Now you're making me curious. Ask away.I think Bendis will present them as threats when they appear [if he doesn't want a pet new villain to outshine them], but I also expect at least some to get Nefaria'd, and Superman to steamroll them at some point, maybe towards the end of his run when he gets burned out.
Bendis writing Mxy would unironically be a highlight of the run, if it happens. I can only imagine.
Him firing off what 4k worth of punches and purposefully trying to exit populated areas makes me think he was trying very very hard during Rebirth. Just in a different "safer" way. Didn't he try and break DD's neck at one point?
It seemed like a remix of DoS to me, just Superman fighting a lot safer but still going pretty hard to try and finish without taking too much damage. Maybe not "maxed" but definitely not holding back.
Thoughts?
I'm not looking forward to any "rogues" appearing. A coinflip really. I think Darkseid will be the biggest test.
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I think he's going to steer clear of that. As silly as it sounds, Bendis keeps his writing pretty serious. He can't write Mxy. Out of every character he can't write Mxy.
Originally posted by One Big MobOh, while I think his 'all-out' state consistently exists [holding back is cauterized in any writer's mind, world of cardboard, Doomsday and all that], I definitely think different writers have different interpretations, and the circumstances in which he reaches it being different, depending on who's writing it. But I'd say they're pretty close to each other, overall. Scot Lobdell had Superman 'training' after his confrontation with Helspont/H'el in New 52 reminiscent of Jeph Loeb [the infamous Earth bench-pressing for 5 days feat], then Greg Pak did a variant of the all-out, I'd say, when he ripped DD in half [incidentally, again going into space and letting it loose]. He even specifically had the newspaper say that Superman exerted power levels 'never seen before'. Jeph Loeb/Joe Casey [i.e. the OWAW team] had the now infamous interpretation. Then we have even writers like Greg Rucka, who put the scans where his solar intake depends on his emotional state in the Ruin arc. Stuff like this. And Dan Jurgens, well, he's one of the biggest proponents of it - which is why I have the interpretation of the Rebirth fight as I have. He's the dude who cemented the 'mental blocks' on Superman, even before Jeph Loeb/OWAW era, and it was recurrent even when he wrote him in Justice League, to the point where Superman holds back on a sub-conscious level:
Basically if you think Superman should be locked to that mindset being his "max" however many years after. And, if Superman should be better capable of accessing that power without entering a special state after his experience. Different writers and time and all. Plus Doomsday in itself.Him firing off what 4k worth of punches and purposefully trying to exit populated areas makes me think he was trying very very hard during Rebirth. Just in a different "safer" way. Didn't he try and break DD's neck at one point?
It seemed like a remix of DoS to me, just Superman fighting a lot safer but still going pretty hard to try and finish without taking too much damage. Maybe not "maxed" but definitely not holding back.Thoughts?
I'm not looking forward to any "rogues" appearing. A coinflip really. I think Darkseid will be the biggest test.
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I think he's going to steer clear of that. As silly as it sounds, Bendis keeps his writing pretty serious. He can't write Mxy. Out of every character he can't write Mxy.
One of the most interesting things in how Superman's mindset affects fights was in Infinite Crisis, where he 'switches places' with Earth-2 Superman in the fight against Doomsday, and it's made clear that the 'different' Superman's mindset [i.e. no crap given, he sends Dr. Light in the PZ when he is put in Identity Crisis storyline] has him win that fight without dying:
[In something that I doubt is a coincidence, Dan Jurgens is co-writing, with Joe Kelly - another writer who put en emphasis on Superman holding back immensely, against the Elite, and how scary he is all-out]
As for Bendis, Darkseid will be...interesting. The Thanos criticism might have changed his perception a bit.
He will tackle the Legion, we'll see how he does there, too.
Posted by Dan Jurgens on Monday, February 23 2004 at 20:11:06 GMT
I also think they fight quite differently. Thor tends to be more of a brawny reactionary type, while Superman probably fights with a more strategic approach. Thor is more likely to cut loose with the full measure of his powers as he does not have the "dampers" on that power that Superman was raised with. Both qualities can be an advantage or disadvantage, depending on the circumstances.
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Good stuff. I might make a thread about Rebirth Dooms after and see where other people's thoughts are. I know Superman's mindset is a black hole of discussion... so, I'll try to avoid that. 😂
About Darkseid... I don't know. His writing on Thanos only got worse over time, not that it was great in the first place. So if we follow this, his first appearance is really going to tell a lot.
But... why Legion? Everytime I turn around he seems to get more power.
Originally posted by Stoic
Doomsday may not have had most of his organs, but he had to have had a brain. There were too many calculative things that he's done in all of his appearances that points to him having a conscious mind.
Comics, Stoic. They don't have to make sense.
Maybe he works like a skeleton animated by a necromancy spell or something like that.
