Originally posted by krisblaze
Shut up, idiot.
😂
anyway, depends which version obviously. current has some pretty good feats i think though. only read a few of her recent appearances but she's pretty uber. phoenix shard was powerful enough to match glads in h2h. she'd need to be at least that level to win this though and i'm not 100% sure she's there. her tp is uber though. it'not impossible she could out-skill max who i don't think near the tp skill feats rachel has.
i dunno. not easy for max, regardless.
Originally posted by Zack M
Telepathic wise, it might be a wash. Maxims did dominate Brainwave in the astral plane. And he's a very uber telepath, from what I remember.
WTF if your referring to Extreme Justice everything you said is ass about face.
1. Maxima is stated to be supreme in the astral plane not BW.
2. She outright stated he was more powerful than her despite only facing "1 aspect" of his persona (a piece of his late fatjers persona in his crazy state)
3. He was fighting the rest of extreme justice team (cap Atom, Firestorm, Amazimgman, Plastique, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle and the wonder twins) at the same time in the real world with his 3d mental projections.
4. She had a plot win by psychoanalysing him and making him beat himself.
Hardly a showing on her behalf in TP power.
Originally posted by beatboks
WTF if your referring to Extreme Justice everything you said is ass about face.1. Maxima is stated to be supreme in the astral plane not BW.
2. She outright stated he was more powerful than her despite only facing "1 aspect" of his persona (a piece of his late fatjers persona in his crazy state)
3. He was fighting the rest of extreme justice team (cap Atom, Firestorm, Amazimgman, Plastique, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle and the wonder twins) at the same time in the real world with his 3d mental projections.
4. She had a plot win by psychoanalysing him and making him beat himself.Hardly a showing on her behalf in TP power.
You're right. She did incapacitate him, though. I was just going by these feats. Who do you have?
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Originally posted by leonidas
😂anyway, depends which version obviously. current has some pretty good feats i think though. only read a few of her recent appearances but she's pretty uber. phoenix shard was powerful enough to match glads in h2h. she'd need to be at least that level to win this though and i'm not 100% sure she's there. her tp is uber though. it'not impossible she could out-skill max who i don't think near the tp skill feats rachel has.
i dunno. not easy for max, regardless.
The Shi'ar Death Commando, Black Cloak, was beating the hell out of an all-out Gladiator. Rachel, in one shot, exploded his head...
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Interestingly, she avoided that street leveler jobber aura during AvX. She was about the only person allowed to punk Captain America. Smashed him with his own shield.
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Dominated Black Panther and Iron Fist too.
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Telepathy wise-
Overwhelmed Xavier Jr.
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For reference, Xavier mind-controlled his own timeline's Xorn, who was really the adult version of Teen Jean. Xorn Jean took out Emma, the Cuckoo's and Teen Jean. Teen Jean lasted because Xorn Jean held back, as revealed later.
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He later mind-controlled a line-up of X-Men that included The Cuckoo's, Magik(who has some TP defense), Emma and most importantly, Teen Jean who was using her psychic drain abilities at the time. For reference, Teen Jean can drain The Phoenix and amp to overpower Galactus.
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Even with less psychic energy present, Teen Jean can easily amp and stalemate Gladiator, who is trying to kill her.
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The fact that Xavier Jr, in spite of Teen Jean's draining, was still capable of doing that, albeit losing in the end, is pretty neato. Rachel still slapped him all on her own though.
Hype-wise, the Avengers had a mission briefing concerning the issue of Rachel(and Emma, although that is later dismissed) during AvX. They seem pretty wary of fighting her, even with Thor.
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The Avengers then conducted an entire mission with Xavier just to take Rachel off the board during AvX. She was considered that much of threat otherwise, and she still gave Xavier hell before going down. Considering how casually Xavier shutdown everyone else, this is a really good showing.
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Originally posted by StyleTime
He later mind-controlled a line-up of X-Men that included The Cuckoo's, Magik(who has some TP defense), Emma and most importantly, Teen Jean who was using her psychic drain abilities at the time.
Forgot to include that. They break free eventually due to Teen Jean's energy drain, but the fact that it worked at all is impressive.
As for the match, interesting fight. Maxima, as with all these MaximaVsPsychic threads, has high level physical stats to fall back on.
👆 that was a lot of work. 😂
i of course read avx and have seen most of those feats but for whatever reason forgot them. i thought the echo was still around when she faced thor. too many incarnations for her i guess, but thanks for digging all that up.
still not sure it would be enough to beat max for a majority--max has held CONTINENTS together with TK--but she'd def take some and like i said, i think she is def more skilled in tp. of course, rachel has opened a black hole, so there is that to consider...
close match overall.
This thing is still going on?
In TK : Maxima. Rachel has ONE decent TK feat compared to numerous ones for Max.
In physical stats : LOL. Maxima. No contest.
In TP : Maxima. Even if you believe Rachael is the better telepath (lol), Maxima is more than capable of holding her off while she crushes the life out of her with her bare hands.
How does Maxima lose this?
Originally posted by Galan007
Question, because I know very little about Rachel-Which of her abilities would you guys say are actually better than Maxima's?
i'd say for certain she is the more skilled tp. if it came to an astral battle for instance--something i think rachel could def force--i'd would 100% take rachel. feat for feat, rachel>max in tp, imo, or its a wash. for sure rachel>max in terms of SKILLED feats. not even close tbh. max has powerful psi-blasting feats, and some good resistance feats, but very few...intricate feats and rachel's mind is too protected imo for her to be ko'd by a mind blast.
again, tk is close. black hole vs continent on the high ends? rachel handling gladiator, max fighting supes but often with physical stats as well as tk? but rachel's tk let's her hang with thor--no way she can't hang with max.
there really isn't any way this is anything but very close imo.