Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Heresy! 😖tick out tongue: :wink:I once had a lively debate on how those two wound up powering CM, especially the biblical Solomon.
You’d think a comic book reader wouldnt take the bible so seriously, or vice versa, but ppl were getting heated!
Wow, now that's something interesting we rarely see, lol, while those characters obviously have roots in real-life mythology, but when it comes to comics their lore and nature is a bit drastically changed, so trying to apply bible or other forms of real world writings to their comic book counterparts as 100% canon would be very incorrect, given how drastically different those are, that's one of th basic 101 for any comic book reader.
As for how those 2 wound up powering CM, this may be incorrect, but if my memory serves me right, it was way back in old times in DC lore, back when characters like Nabu had physical form, during those times Wizard Shazam was travelling around the world and gathering the portions of their might/power, which ultimately ended up to be passed on his champion.
But anyways, if people were getting heated up by the mere fact that Solomon is a God King in comics, i guess they would be even more heated up to know that in Pre-Crisis era Solomon was not only an actual god, but was also living on Mount Olympus with Zeus and others, - now that's some cultural heresy. XD
And to add more fuel into fire, this part would cause some hellfire from deepest part of hell as well, for sure.
Can never be guarranteed that my bias doesnt get in the way where Dr Fate is concerned. I try to keep it out but he's one of my top 3 favorite characters, so I may have over weighted some of the rounds as I do for my top 20
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/beatboks1/lists/favorites/16542/
My bias always seems strongest for Fate and Hellstrom
I thought that portion of the story was absolutely doltish. There are over 250,000 Gods of myth that they could have used.
Anyway, Superman beats him after he plays Let's go Crazy - By Prince.
Doomsday would dunk Captain Marvel, and the reason why he was able to beat Darkseid like he did was because of his tussle with Superman. Have trouble believing what I'm writing? Well just give it some time, surely Superman vs Captain Marvel will happen again.
Originally posted by Stoic
I thought that portion of the story was absolutely doltish. There are over 250,000 Gods of myth that they could have used.Anyway, Superman beats him after he plays Let's go Crazy - By Prince.
Doomsday would dunk Captain Marvel, and the reason why he was able to beat Darkseid like he did was because of his tussle with Superman. Have trouble believing what I'm writing? Well just give it some time, surely Superman vs Captain Marvel will happen again.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Captain Marvel came out before guys like comic book writers had easy access to vast amounts of literature on the various Pantheons that have existed throughout history lol
Yes of course, but the new change didn't. Plus what about all of the African Gods, Hindu Gods, Asian Gods, etc.. Don't empower them bruh. LOL.
Originally posted by Stoic
I thought that portion of the story was absolutely doltish. There are over 250,000 Gods of myth that they could have used.
It was a lie by Zeus, in the same issue he said that he is not Terran (which means Earth based) Zeus aka Olympic Zeus, yet in the last issue he says that he reclaimed his Terran province thanks to Freddy, thus if Earth is his terran province then he is the Olympic Zeus, since there is only 1 Zeus that is Terran based, simple logical conclusion.
Not only that various sources like DC Encylopedia show that gods like Hercules in Shazam is the same Hercules from Wonder Woman lore, even stating there that he simple changed his shape to help Freddy.
Add to that the fact that we also have seen avatars of their previous selfs showcasing their true forms like Achiless and Solomon. Basically there is enough information to claim that whole 250.000 Gods parts was BS.
Originally posted by Stoic
Anyway, Superman beats him after he plays Let's go Crazy - By Prince.
Superman never beat Cap Marvel in easy manner, they are factual equals and are always portrayed as such in every single fight they had more or less, let's not pretend that this notion doesn't exist, except Cap is way faster featwise, plus - minus has some statements of Cap being stronger one, but other than that, they are equals in strength/durability, as well as Cap having magic lightning and spells to shoot at him.
And that's regular Captain Marvel, in this thread we are talking about Darkseid War Captain Marvel, the far more powerful version of Cap, the same one that punked amped Yuga Khan, people should know who this guy is, he is Darkseid's father, and essentially treated Darkseid and other New Gods like fodder, destroys planets by merely standing on them, so we are talking about way high power-levels here, and yet he got beaten by Billy.
Not only that if you look at Billy's new pantheon, we would see familiar powers, like Strength of S'ivaa, you know the guy that was punking Superman/Orion at the same time, and was completely immune to all of their attacks, he was defeated by BFR, basically he got teleported away (into the Source).
Then of course there is also M for Mamaragan aka Wizard Shazam, who is stated by Pandora to be more powerful than The Spectre - https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/2223474-p3.jpg
Superman is powerful, but he is facing a character who has combined powers of people who would treat Superman like fodder, it would be foolish to ignore all those details.
Originally posted by StoicRight, personal opinions are not facts. But overall Cap would fair the same as Superman if we are talking about pure strength/durability part.
Doomsday would dunk Captain Marvel,
Originally posted by StoicAnd it will end just as another stalemate, as usual.
Have trouble believing what I'm writing? Well just give it some time, surely Superman vs Captain Marvel will happen again.
Actually it isn't BS. There are actually over 350,000 Gods of myth, and I say myth because in my very own belief there is only one true God, but I won't douse the flame of another persons belief... Google it if you want to know the exact, or approximate number of Gods of myth out there that they could have gone with instead of going with the New Gods.
It just seemed like a large stretch to me. But then again it's comics right?
Originally posted by StoicAhh.....i see, my bad, i thought you were talking about the part in Trials of Shazam, where Zeus says there are hundreds of Zeuses, Solomons and etc...my first part of the post was about that part, which i called BS on that..
Actually it isn't BS. There are actually over 350,000 Gods of myth, and I say myth because in my very own belief there is only one true God, but I won't douse the flame of another persons belief... Google it if you want to know the exact, or approximate number of Gods of myth out there that they could have gone with instead of going with the New Gods.It just seemed like a large stretch to me. But then again it's comics right?
As for gods of myth, well i think the numerical part of it might be correct, i don't honestly care about that specific notion in general really.
As for the gods they used, there was only 1 New God in Billy's New Pantheon, and that was Zonuz/Yuga Khan. Of course the reason why they used these type of gods rather than what you proposed was explained by writer in interview and him wanting to use gods which were already part of DC lore, like Martian Manhunter's god H'ronmeer (an aspect of Death of Endless) and S'ivaa other than that all gods are based on real mythology, like Ate, who is a Greek Goddess, Anapel is a Siberia/Russian Goddess, Mamaragan is Australian Aboriginal God.
But i agree they could've used much better pantheon of gods, there is no denial to that part.
^^^lol@you guys!
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm going to go with less than Spiderman level strength. There's a reason why Wolverine is considered to be the hardest striker by far in his weight class. He actually hits harder than many CL100's due to the Adamantium, which is why he is able to cut into Thanos, and Gladiator like cheese cake.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Wow, now that's something interesting we rarely see, lol, while those characters obviously have roots in real-life mythology, but when it comes to comics their lore and nature is a bit drastically changed, so trying to apply bible or other forms of real world writings to their comic book counterparts as 100% canon would be very incorrect, given how drastically different those are, that's one of th basic 101 for any comic book reader.As for how those 2 wound up powering CM, this may be incorrect, but if my memory serves me right, it was way back in old times in DC lore, back when characters like Nabu had physical form, during those times Wizard Shazam was travelling around the world and gathering the portions of their might/power, which ultimately ended up to be passed on his champion.
But anyways, if people were getting heated up by the mere fact that Solomon is a God King in comics, i guess they would be even more heated up to know that in Pre-Crisis era Solomon was not only an actual god, but was also living on Mount Olympus with Zeus and others, - now that's some cultural heresy. XD
And to add more fuel into fire, this part would cause some hellfire from deepest part of hell as well, for sure.
As a rule i try and not argue w. religious ppl, not because i lack faith, but because i have common sense.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm going to go with less than Spiderman level strength. There's a reason why Wolverine is considered to be the hardest striker by far in his weight class. He actually hits harder than many CL100's due to the Adamantium, which is why he is able to cut into Thanos, and Gladiator like cheese cake.
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Thanos after the Death amp and wearing the IG, lol. Only limited himself so he wouldn't know his opponents' next moves.
https://i.imgur.com/D5pl6Go.jpg
And let's not forget what Logan did to Count Nefaria:
https://i.imgur.com/neDgeaU.jpg
Or how he was able to slice through Terminus, who no-sold Thor's Mjolnir strikes and energy attacks...
