Which one is more impressive??? · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

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Originally posted by One Big Mob
I'd like to see a reputable Hulk fan like Carver do the calcs on the Hulk feat just for shits and gigs. Seems like a pretty neato feat that outdoes almost every other Hulk feat on paper anyway.

It really does. That anti-magnetic belt would give Magneto a run for his money, since it not only propelled Hulk hard enough to shatter that asteroid, but he continued flying through on nowhere-avenue. The aliens picked him up from way off in outer space.

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The fact he continued flying on AFTER smashing that asteroid kinda speaks volumes that it wasn't a strength feat but a durability feat...IOW, Hulk could've been sleeping, or doing his taxes or whatever, and it wouldn't have mattered....the asteroid was still getting smashed.

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Originally posted by MrMind
which one is more impressive

So, is it bad form to start an argument with someone who's temp banned?

I totally agree with his obvious choice, but this is a rare opportunity for me to have the last word..

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Bullet Hulk

I'm kind of curious if writers would give him more planetary levels challenges in comics if he could fly around in space. He's kind of limited and he's pretty much exhausted all he can do on Earth. I think they'd play up the "strongest one there is" with a lot more of that and Carver would go ballistic.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The fact he continued flying on AFTER smashing that asteroid kinda speaks volumes that it wasn't a strength feat but a durability feat...IOW, Hulk could've been sleeping, or doing his taxes or whatever, and it wouldn't have mattered....the asteroid was still getting smashed.

It's the same thing as a fastball special. Do you credit Wolverine, or the guy chucking him? Could Wolverine not be an inanimate adamantium rod?

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He absolutely could. Or put another way, nobody says a bullet is 'strong', it's all about the gun firing it.

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Originally posted by One Big Mob
Bullet Hulk
I'm kind of curious if writers would give him more planetary levels challenges in comics if he could fly around in space. He's kind of limited and he's pretty much exhausted all he can do on Earth. I think they'd play up the "strongest one there is" with a lot more of that and Carver would go ballistic.

Marvel's never been one to shy away from the hyperbole.

DC has its fair share, too, but how often do you head about a DC B list guy casually rip apart a star like Smart Drax did, or Thanos busting a planet a few issues later. I mean, they're not key moments or events, they just get thrown out there. Or used to.

Got to wonder if that's because DC enacted a post crisis policy actively discouraging cheese for the sake of cheese, and Marvel knew that and responded by upping the nerd bait.

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Originally posted by cdtm
Marvel's never been one to shy away from the hyperbole.
DC has its fair share, too, but how often do you head about a DC B list guy casually rip apart a star like Smart Drax did, or Thanos busting a planet a few issues later. I mean, they're not key moments or events, they just get thrown out there. Or used to.
Got to wonder if that's because DC enacted a post crisis policy actively discouraging cheese for the sake of cheese, and Marvel knew that and responded by upping the nerd bait.

It's because DC's space-cheese was capped editorially post-COIE, given the "Superboy moves galaxies casually" PTSD that took place prior to that. Some writers snuck stuff in there, but generally, that's how it was. A quick example from memory is Cosmic Odyssey, where John Stewart was shielding from planet exploding and a supernova in succession, and stuff like that.

Somewhere around 2000, they started going full crazy, too. I think it started with Morrison, where Kyle was containing supernovas as a rookie, and Wally was outracing the Universe/Death in the Flash title and Superman absorbed a bomb of anti-sunlight which was about to wipe out half a galaxy. Once they moved that curtain, rookie GLs started going into black holes, Superman was taking 50 supernovas to the face and containing black holes in his hand, then moved on to lifting infinite weights and hearing the Multiverse's vibrations/erasing Darkseid by singing. The less said about Prime retconning people by punching, the better. Or re-arraging the Universe by physically moving stuff. And they never stopped, Superman started bench-pressing the Earth for 5 days, stopping Brainiac's multi-planet sized ship, going through black holes like he's jumping in the pool in his way to travel the Universe etc.

This, of course, also depends on the writer. Put Jurgens in any era, on any title, in any company, and you'll see similar powerlevels. Put Greg Pak, and it'll be the same, but on opposite ends. But, generally, that's how it evolved.

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True, writers have different play books. I think Starlin got a pass to do his own editing after the mega blockbuster Infinity Gauntlet, so he's something of an exception. But as you say, look at Jurgen's vs Casey.

Or check out Byrne. People who think Byrne downplayed Superman hasn't read his other stuff. I still get a laugh out of Namor being taken down by common tree loggers, and Doctor Doom standing on a ship like some deranged pirate, ranting about conquest from overfishing the oceans. 😂

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The fact he continued flying on AFTER smashing that asteroid kinda speaks volumes that it wasn't a strength feat but a durability feat...IOW, Hulk could've been sleeping, or doing his taxes or whatever, and it wouldn't have mattered....the asteroid was still getting smashed.

Yeah but if we use the forum prominent logic then we have to also note that there's a swing of the arm involved. If you point to someone like Supes pushing a planet or other crazy heavy thing with outstretched arms and claim that it's a flight feat, people will chime in and say that in order to keep his arms strait out like that his arms have to be able to handle the weight even without flight(even though arms that are outstreched/locked can handle more weight than one is generally capable of lifting). By the same token, since Hulk's arm wasn't pushed back by the impact causing him to plow through the thing face first, his arm has to be strong enough to generate enough power to shatter the asteroid even without the belt. After all, if someone straps you to the front of a train and then drives into a brick wall, you have to be strong enough to shatter the wall yourself if it explodes on contact with your fist before your body reaches it. Now if your fist does nothing to the wall and it's shattered when your body plows through it, THEN it's a pure durability feat.

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Or be durable enough to just smash through without your arms buckling....

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or be durable enough to just smash through without your arms buckling....

Yes but he's not actually invulnerable like Supes and didn't plow through it with arms outstretched like Supes did, he actually threw a punch. Again, I'm simply using the prevalent logic on the forum. If a flier pushes the moon or something, people say that his arms have to be strong enough to handle the weight to do so without buckling, the same applies to Hulk.

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Originally posted by cdtm
True, writers have different play books. I think Starlin got a pass to do his own editing after the mega blockbuster Infinity Gauntlet, so he's something of an exception. But as you say, look at Jurgen's vs Casey.
Or check out Byrne. People who think Byrne downplayed Superman hasn't read his other stuff. I still get a laugh out of Namor being taken down by common tree loggers, and Doctor Doom standing on a ship like some deranged pirate, ranting about conquest from overfishing the oceans. 😂

Yeah, it's the disadvantage of comparing characters under one writer, to characters from another, who each have different opinions on what high-powered character can, and cannot do. And it's hard to parse them out, for every thread. Dan Jurgens' King Thor was nothing to write home about, for one, in terms of space cheese. In a vacuum, he'd get his ass beat in a feat war with many.

Say, you want to have a Thor/Glads thread, so your starting argument is basing it on Aaron Thor vs Claremont Gladiator. "le featz!!" are obviously in Thor's favor, but based on relative portrayals, they don't look all that different, quite the contrary, when looking at Jane vs Gladiator [under Aaron] and such. [this is just an example, before people have a meltdown]

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Actually I remembered wrong. From the look of it Hulk did in fact fly into the asteroid with fists outstretched rather than throwing a punch so my bad on that one.

Still, if people moving celestial bodies and other such things with arms outstretched while flying is considered a strength feat due to their arms not buckling then the same should apply to Hulk. Otherwise there are virtually no strength feats for anyone in flight other than throwing things, only flight+durability feats.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Yeah, it's the disadvantage of comparing characters under one writer, to characters from another, who each have different opinions on what high-powered character can, and cannot do. And it's hard to parse them out, for every thread. Dan Jurgens' King Thor was nothing to write home about, for one, in terms of space cheese. In a vacuum, he'd get his ass beat in a feat war with many.
Say, you want to have a Thor/Glads thread, so your starting argument is basing it on Aaron Thor vs Claremont Gladiator. "le featz!!" are obviously in Thor's favor, but based on relative portrayals, they don't look all that different, quite the contrary, when looking at Jane vs Gladiator [under Aaron] and such. [this is just an example, before people have a meltdown]

Claremont Glads was a joke though. Claremont probably would have had Thor decapitate him with a karate chop. Weird how the creator of a character makes him the weakest out of any other writer but it happened.

Not that that goes against your point, just saying. One of the biggest reason's Glads is treated like such a joke is because of Claremont. You wipe out those showings and he just becomes your average character with some lows.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Claremont Glads was a joke though. Claremont probably would have had Thor decapitate him with a karate chop. Weird how the creator of a character makes him the weakest out of any other writer but it happened.
Not that that goes against your point, just saying. One of the biggest reason's Glads is treated like such a joke is because of Claremont. You wipe out those showings and he just becomes your average character with some lows.

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From what I understand, Claremont and Byrne hated each-other. Byrne had an inferiority complex from being associated with being the 'Robin' to his 'Batman', and Claremont saw that, so he b*tched him every time he could.

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Thank god that didn't spill onto Iron Fist. It's Claremont who had him "made" as a character, and Byrne who resurrected him. Treated the character respectfully.