Originally posted by darthgooberUm, come on, why all the straw men, that's not what happened at Charlottesville. Be hard the though the Black Panthers were dissolved 36 years ago when America was trying to put its past behind it and be inclusive. Unfortunately, something completely wrong has happened there as the far right shifted the Overton window dressed in suits and conned a minority of voters to vote for a divisive candidate. Which will continue to produce violence in the States.
So in your opinion would it be ok to violently attack a Black Panther rally without any kind of violent provocation on their part?
IMO resorting to tactics that can lead to death but do not end up leading to death doesn't make you any better than those with tactics that lead to death.
When you're willing to crack people over the skull with metal bike locks, hurl bricks at peoples heads, hurl glass bottles at peoples heads...you are taking the chance you can cause serious harm, even death.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Um, come on, why all the straw men, that's not what happened at Charlottesville. Be hard the though the Black Panthers were dissolved 36 years ago when America was trying to put its past behind it and be inclusive. Unfortunately, something completely wrong has happened there as the far right shifted the Overton window dressed in suits and conned a minority of voters to vote for a divisive candidate. Which will continue to produce violence in the States.
Query: if tomorrow Antifa murders someone would you say they are as bad as the nazis or would you say "Well, they aren't as bad cuz nazis have killed more"?
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Um, come on, why all the straw men, that's not what happened at Charlottesville. Be hard the though the Black Panthers were dissolved 36 years ago when America was trying to put its past behind it and be inclusive. Unfortunately, something completely wrong has happened there as the far right shifted the Overton window dressed in suits and conned a minority of voters to vote for a divisive candidate. Which will continue to produce violence in the States.
I don't know if you missed my edit or just ignored it because you're still using "politician speak", but here's my full statement if you missed it...
Originally posted by darthgoober
But why do you still condemn those kids if they didn't kill?So in your opinion would it be ok to violently attack a Black Panther rally without any kind of violent provocation on their part?
Also, you're still dodging around the other examples I listed of people who've been assaulted outside of Trump rallies, pulled of of their cars, or attacked on the street.
Originally posted by SurturIt would depend if it was in self defence, which I do see as a likely scenario given the rights history of violence.
Query: if tomorrow Antifa murders someone would you say they are as bad as the nazis or would you say "Well, they aren't as bad cuz nazis have killed more"?
Originally posted by Surtur
IMO resorting to tactics that can lead to death but do not end up leading to death doesn't make you any better than those with tactics that lead to death.When you're willing to crack people over the skull with metal bike locks, hurl bricks at peoples heads, hurl glass bottles at peoples heads...you are taking the chance you can cause serious harm, even death.
That's were possible attempted murder charges can come in, depending on the specific context of each attack.
If we use your 'there's no difference, it all the same' blanket approach, then being pulled over for driving drunk even though no one was harmed is the same as murder, cos you know, death can and does happen with drunk drivers. And as much as I despise drunk driving, I don't want to live in that sort of draconian society.
So no, let's keep the murder with the murder, the attempted murder with the attempted murder, the assault with the assault etc.
Originally posted by Robtard
That's were possible attempted murder charges can come in, depending on the specific context of each attack.If we use your 'there's no difference, it all the same' blanket approach, then being pulled over for driving drunk even though no one was harmed is the same as murder, cos you know, death can and does happen with drunk drivers. And as much as I despise drunk driving, I don't want to live in that sort of draconian society.
So no, let's keep the murder with the murder, the attempted murder with the attempted murder, the assault with the assault etc.
Again: people on the left who attempt to inflict serious bodily harm/death and fail are no better than the nazis.
Yes, Antifa has done this. Yes, comparing drunk driving to murder is wrong. But comparing Antifa to the nazis has never ever been close to that.
Originally posted by Robtard
That's were possible attempted murder charges can come in, depending on the specific context of each attack.If we use your 'there's no difference, it all the same' blanket approach, then being pulled over for driving drunk even though no one was harmed is the same as murder, cos you know, death can and does happen with drunk drivers. And as much as I despise drunk driving, I don't want to live in that sort of draconian society.
So no, let's keep the murder with the murder, the attempted murder with the attempted murder, the assault with the assault etc.
@ goober, I've answered all those questions before today, bar the Trump rally one. Unfortunately I see Trumpers like this-
Originally posted by Putinbot1
It would depend if it was in self defence, which I do see as a likely scenario given the rights history of violence.
It's murder. Are they as bad?
2nd question: tomorrow an Antifa member runs over a nazi with their car, but the nazi survives. Is Antifa just as bad then?
Originally posted by darthgoober
And if the perpetrator(who actually assaulted 7 people with the bike lock that day) got a relative slap on the wrist rather than being charged with attempted murder would you agree that there's a pretty serious problem with how seriously we're taking the threat as a nation?
Funny you mention a slap on the wrist: the guy who smashed someone over the head with a metal bike lock? No jail time, just probation.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
@ goober, I've answered all those questions before today, bar the Trump rally one. Unfortunately I see Trumpers like this-
Originally posted by SurturNone of this has happened though. Trump falls into a barrel of porn stars and has a heart attack... Is it something I should mock?
It's murder. Are they as bad?2nd question: tomorrow an Antifa member runs over a nazi with their car, but the nazi survives. Is Antifa just as bad then?