Originally posted by Robtard
You're conflating the violence/anarchy causers and "the Left", when that's both lazy and dishonest. I'll defend "the Left", sure. eg the people who protest the Nazis with signs and what not; I don't defend the mask wearing fools throwing cans and whatnot.Now Antifa are Communist and worse than Nazis? Um, seems you're doing what you accuse me of.
I'm using the term Antifa and not the left. Generally the left isn't the problem, Antifa is a problem. People on the right aren't a problem, the alt right is a problem.
FAR FAR to often people on the left use the alt right label inappropriatly.
I never said you defended the mask wearing fools, I said you tended to be softer on them and use violence done on the right to diffuse the opposite.
IF Antifa are communists then they are just as bad as the nazis they oppose, don't believe me read a history book. Look up the attrocities caused by both sides and see they are 2 sides of the same coin.
Originally posted by Surtur
How about this: nazis and antifa are bad, period. There is no "Nazis and Antifa are bad, but....". There is just: these two groups are slimey violent pieces of shit the world would be better off without.
How about this. Trump and Hitler are bad, period. There is no "Trump and Hitler are bad, but....". There is just: these two guys are slimey pieces of shit the world would be better off without.
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Originally posted by Robtard
Because there's people being murdered. Who said they did?Tell me, if the Alt-Right racist rally didn't happen to begin with, would Heather Heyer have been murdered that day?
Tell me, if Antifa hadn't shown up causing problems, would Heather Heyer have been murdered that day?
Originally posted by darthgoober
You can't really preemptively stop a random murder, this isn't Minority Report. Murders happen, you can't arrest people just because you think it might be a possibility.Tell me, if Antifa hadn't shown up causing problems, would Heather Heyer have been murdered that day?
Okay, agreed. No idea why you where going where you were.
Already covered that with DDM a page or so page.
Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, agreed. No idea why you where going where you were.Already covered that with DDM a page or so page.
Yeah you brought up Chris Cantwell, but he's not the one who was driving the car so you can't point to his statement as being proof that James Fields would still have plowed into all those people. Don't get me wrong, those people are froggy as f*ck and will absolutely jump at any excuse to get violent, but Antifa does normally provide them that excuse.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because you implied that her murder proved that nazis weren't a priority. No one is suggesting that we need to start ignoring the nazis and focus all our attention on Antifa, just that we should always acknowledge the part Antifa plays in these things and hold them responsible for their actions as well.Yeah you brought up Chris Cantwell, but he's not the one who was driving the car so you can't point to his statement as being proof that James Fields would still have plowed into all those people. Don't get me wrong, those people are froggy as f*ck and will absolutely jump at any excuse to get violent, but Antifa does normally provide them that excuse.
They've been labeled as a "terrorist" group by our government. So this idea that they're being ignored is faulty.
I sued him as an example and the point was that the idea that is was "peaceful Nazis and the violent Left that started it" is flawed, the Nazis showed up with violence in their hearts and minds too. Who threw the first punch? Who knows.
Originally posted by Robtard
They've been labeled as a "terrorist" group by our government. So this idea that they're being ignored is faulty.I sued him as an example and the point was that the idea that is was "peaceful Nazis and the violent Left that started it" is flawed, the Nazis showed up with violence in their hearts and minds too. Who threw the first punch? Who knows.
From the reports I heard at the time, protesters were pepper sprayed while the cops were leading them through the crowd of counter protesters. Now obviously I can't say for sure that those reports were accurate, but if they were it would definitely mean that Antifa started the fighting. And even if some of the protesters were bound and determined to fight that day anyway, they were given just cause by Antifa. Not for the car, but for fighting back.
Originally posted by darthgooberI heard the opposite.
Nazis are on the same list. See there is no specific list that outright outlaws the assembly of domestic terrorist or anything like that, because the organizations are protected by the constitution in regards to things like freedom of speech and assembly. It's not like organizations such as Isis which don't have those constitutional rights in this country. BUT, Antifa are the ones who are more frequently getting relative slaps on the wrists in court. They're the ones most of the media tries to downplay. Here on KMC people say things to the effect of "yeah they shouldn't hit people, but let's only focus on how bad the alt right is".From the reports I heard at the time, protesters were pepper sprayed while the cops were leading them through the crowd of counter protesters. Now obviously I can't say for sure that those reports were accurate, but if they were it would definitely mean that Antifa started the fighting. And even if some of the protesters were bound and determined to fight that day anyway, they were given just cause by Antifa. Not for the car, but for fighting back.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I heard the opposite.
Originally posted by darthgooberPeoe who are marginalised will do that.
Which is very possible, that's why I said I can't say for sure. I'm leaning more to believing that Antifa were the first ones to bust out with the pepper spray first though, simply because "preemptive self defense" has kinda been their thing for a while now. They bust out stuff like pepper spray even against who are just standing around or talking to people with cameras.
Originally posted by darthgooberAs I stated in an earlier post violence breeds violence. The rhetoric of the alt-right is rhetoric people will fight back against.
I don't want to misinterpret what you're saying here, so could you expand upon what you're saying. What level of consideration does one perceiving himself as being marginalized deserve in regards to committing assault?
Originally posted by Putinbot1
it is as simple as violence begets violence. When you have the rhetoric of bigotry and Nazi ideology is endorsed on high, bigots become empowered they feel unchallenged and drive cars into people. The group who feels marginalised will respond with rhetoric and violence of their own. It is likely though as they come from a stronger moral base their members will commit less truly heinous acts.People who haven't seen this will never understand. I saw it in Northern Ireland first hand. Violence begets violence and Trump in empowering bigots has done just this.
As for Surt he'll latch on to anything he thinks that supports his world view. Right Good, left bad. White good other races bad. Which I know was not your point.