Originally posted by carthage
It’s immensely impressive I remember something like a teaspoon of matter from a neutron Star would take thousands of cranes to lift. Thor enduring the heat/pressure exerted from the Star is Incomprehensibly more impressive than Clark being near death due to a nuke of unknown yield
Teaspoon of Neutron star is around 10 billion tons, the weight of a mountain at least.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Teaspoon of Neutron star is around 10 billion tons, the weight of a mountain at least.
That's right, and yet the feat shouldn't be taken literal either.
The gravity of the neutron star condences the matter to such a point. The structure's mechanism seems to break that gravity, resulting in the matter being released and decompressed in a massive beam.
I don't think the density of the Star is the same in the beam that stroke Thor.
There is no reason to speculate or to question by the feat. They tell you in the movie what Thor was meant to withstand. Eitri clearly says that Thor will take on the full force of the neutron star. They could easily have said "you're going to take the heat of the neutron star", but they didn't.
Whatever Space Magic or Asgardian dwarf Magic/technology, the mechanism built around a neutron star was made to do isn't clear.
What is clear is that when the iris is opened from the sphere around the neutron star, the energies with the full force of the neutron star come through it.
That is what hit Thor and what he withstood.
As ridiculous as it may seem, that is exactly what the writers intended , and they tried to portray that as best that they could on screen.
People need to accept that.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
But why would they use the stars magnetism and gravity to melt metal? It's called a forge and forges use heat
Because heat along with everything else (energies, gravity, radiation, forces, etc) also came through. That is what is implied with what the writers said in the film. So even if the "forge" only used the heat to melt the special metal, that doesn't mean the other things didn't come though as well.
Stupid phone spelling on my previous post.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Power =/= temperature.For comparison, if you base it on the video Rage posted, the energy being let thru into the Iris is somewhere in the magnitude of 2x10^20J.
A 1 megaton explosion lets out around 4.18x10^15 J.
Just let that
Something that’s extremely hot has a lot of thermal energy in it.
Temperature of a substance gives the average kinetic energy in it.
Explosions have more than heat. They have pressure forces, kinetic energy from striking projectiles, heat transfer, and radiation.
So it’s not comparable. There are objects that resist heat well but can easily be torn or shot through. There are objects that can resist being shot through but don’t resist heat as well. That’s why blunt force is not comparable to heat resistance in all cases.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Ah, good ol' asgardian voodoo magic.I will argue that the forge was using the heat and maybe magnetism of the star and not the gravity. Gravity has a habit of taking loose matter and condensing it. Melting is taking a condensed material and making it looser.
It’s all about the writer’s intentions and common sense.
It takes extreme heat to melt metal (not magnetism).
We see flames actually heating the metal. I’m getting tired of people making up shit that wasn’t in the movie.
Rocket wasn’t even affected by the magnetism or the gravity. The average person watching the movie doesn’t even know about a neutron Stars magnetic field.
Originally posted by h1a8
Something that’s extremely hot has a lot of thermal energy in it.
Temperature of a substance gives the average kinetic energy in it.
Wrong. Something that's extremely hot but relatively even more extremely tiny has very little thermal energy in it compared to much larger objects with much less temperature. Learn your physics.
It is the amount of thermal energy and how much of it was transferred that is relevant in a discussion about durability. Again, learn your physics.
Originally posted by h1a8
Explosions have more than heat. They have pressure forces, kinetic energy from striking projectiles, heat transfer, and radiation.
Writer's intent disagrees with you. But we know you only really listen to this when it suits you, so what's the point eh?
And this is all irrelevant. Even if I agreed with you (I don't) that there was nothing but heat in that showing. This is about durability showings. And heat durability is durability. We don't suddenly disqualify a durability showing because you don't like the type of durability it is.
Originally posted by h1a8
So it’s not comparable. There are objects that resist heat well but can easily be torn or shot through. There are objects that can resist being shot through but don’t resist heat as well. That’s why blunt force is not comparable to heat resistance in all cases.
But we are not discussing kinetic-only durability here are we? This is plain durability showing and heat durability is a durability showing.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Isnt a nuclear blast way hotter than the core of any star? And it didnt seem like Thor was being hit with any kinetic force, just heat. Also, Thor didnt tank anything. He was about to die without the magic of Stormbreaker. At least the sun is a more reliable power amp than a MacGuffin axe
A one megaton nuclear blast has about 4.18 x 10^15 joules of energy, compared to about 2 x 10^20 joules for the neutron star feat.
IOW, the neutron star feat was about 50,000 times more powerful.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIts's an amazing feat that will be hotly debated for all time. The Sokovia blast is still hot to this day. Anything Superman or Thor will do in movies will always be a hot topic.
You could cut the time he spent exposed to the energy in half, while Thor was hurting but unscathed, and it'd still be more impressive than every single other durability feat in DCEU and MCU. Put together.That scene was so far beyond anything that has ever come before, it's ridiculous. Etri said it was the full power of a Star. People keep mentioning heat, revealing a frightening ignorance of the composition of Star's. A Neutron Star average output is 0.25 of the power of the Sun according to the citation I read. That is so mindbogglingly RIDICULOUS.
Superman, Hulk, Iron Man, and Wonder Woman could spend the rest of their lives punching Thor in the face in-tandem and they'd hurt themselves before he gets flustered if we scale off this feat.
Luckily it was Thor who racked it up, not Superman or Hulk, or the boards would be unbearable. We basically have to ignore the feat, or pretend it doesn't exist/lowball (See: H1) or there is no point debating Thor in the movie forum.
Originally posted by Inhuman
There is no reason to speculate or to question by the feat. They tell you in the movie what Thor was meant to withstand. Eitri clearly says that Thor will take on the full force of the neutron star. They could easily have said "you're going to take the heat of the neutron star", but they didn't.Whatever Space Magic or Asgardian dwarf Magic/technology, the mechanism built around a neutron star was made to do isn't clear.
What is clear is that when the iris is opened from the sphere around the neutron star, the energies with the full force of the neutron star come through it.
That is what hit Thor and what he withstood.As ridiculous as it may seem, that is exactly what the writers intended , and they tried to portray that as best that they could on screen.
People need to accept that.
That's how I took it both visually and what what said, the forge harnesses the power of the star and lets them unleash it's energy, heat, radiation and gravity as a focused blast for the purposes of smelting/forging, while keeping those in and around the forge safe.
It also goes back somewhat to what Odin said in regards to Mjolnir: "The mighty hammer Mjolnir, forged in the heart of a dying star. Its power has no equal, as a weapon to destroy or as a tool to build." Seems like a bit of hyperbole on his part, but goes back to support that these weapons are created using the full power of a neutron star
edit: It's also a ridiculous powerful and inconsistent feat, considering he's been wounded by much less before. His clothes is also as durable as he is it seems
Thor 1: Thor was completely unscathed from BiFrost blowing up in his face. So was Loki (Loki also survived falling through a wormhole that should have torn him to pieces across time/space). BiFrost was tearing an entire planet to pieces, eventually destroying it.
Thor TDW: Thor survived blasts from Malekith with the Aether. This imo is his most impressive feat. The convergence would have spread his range, but the sheer power of destroying Earth-Space, including the Sun, as seen in Jane's vision, makes it by-far the most impressive feat imo.
Avengers AoU: Thor was completely unscathed from Sokovia blowing up in his face. The type of power required to blast into pieces not only a city, but the large landmass underneath? Beyond any man-made Nuclear device.
In conclusion? You can make three other threads with the same topic with different feats and the answer would still be: None. Or something something, World Engine.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Isnt a nuclear blast way hotter than the core of any star?
Yeah, but it lasts for far less time than what Thor had to endure.
And it didnt seem like Thor was being hit with any kinetic force, just heat.
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Also, Thor didnt tank anything. He was about to die without the magic of Stormbreaker.It's still a very good durability feat. It stretched his durability and endurance to the limits sure, but his body was still intact and he was alive (barely) after being exposed to that energy.