Originally posted by cdtm
Of COURSE they want to offend. Or they wouldn't do it in front of the flag at all. Flag protests, in all cases, are INTENDED to provoke a reaction from others.
Originally posted by cdtm
Accept abortion is wrong.Accept marriage is between men and women.
Accept kneeling in front of the flag, isn't disrespecting the flag.
That's how they're similar. The people feel how they feel, and are being asked to feel differently.
Of course, it's equally valid to say:
Accept I don't accept you're a woman.
Legal gay marriage doesn't mean you have to enter a homosexual marriage yourself. Your feelings are your own, but you don't get to ban it for others.
Marriage should go die in a fire though, at least the industry around it.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Right but instead of just identifying as a certain gender demanding that other people identify you that way as well is a bit different from "you can do whatever you want and I can do whatever I want"
They technically are just identifying as certain gender and informing you of their preferred pronoun. What you do afterwards is your call.
A problem with the "don't insult the flag" stance, especially in the form discussed here, is that it ignores the opposition's argument and raises some separate issue as if it's a counterpoint. Essentially, group A says "Hey, I need to say something. None of you were listening before so I figured I could get your attention by standing in front of this thing you always stare at(the flag)."
Instead of going, "Okay. We hear ya. What's wrong?" Group B says, "Don't make this about the flag." The discussion then morphs into this third issue about patriotism. In reality, listening to what they're saying and helping them out if necessary would end the flag protesting.
Additonally, equating these two issues ignores levels of severity quite frankly. At the end of the day, protesting the flag does **** all harm to anyone. While disregarding the socially constructed aspects of gender exists on a continuum of violence and marginalization against a group of humans.
I just don't think these are the same things, except in the broadest of ways.
Originally posted by StyleTime
On the surface, I can maybe see it. If we dig deeper, there's definitely nuance to this though.They technically are just identifying as certain gender and informing you of their preferred pronoun. What you do afterwards is your call.
A problem with the "don't insult the flag" stance, especially in the form discussed here, is that it ignores the opposition's argument and raises some separate issue as if it's a counterpoint. Essentially, group A says "Hey, I need to say something. None of you were listening before so I figured I could get your attention by standing in front of this thing you always stare at(the flag)."
Instead of going, "Okay. We hear ya. What's wrong?" Group B says, "Don't make this about the flag." The discussion then morphs into this third issue about patriotism. In reality, listening to what they're saying and helping them out if necessary would end the flag protesting.
Additonally, equating these two issues ignores levels of severity quite frankly. At the end of the day, protesting the flag does **** all harm to anyone. While disregarding the socially constructed aspects of gender exists on a continuum of violence and marginalization against a group of humans.
I just don't think these are the same things, except in the broadest of ways.