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Originally posted by h1a8
So I could care less about credibility. I rather have 0 credibility than so much that people don't check out my results.
This is why it is a waste of time to debate h1. He doesn't care about his credibility. That means he can blatantly resort to dishonesty, trickery, obfuscation and denial of logic just so that he won't have to admit he is wrong.
You can prove him wrong a billion times and he'll just cherry pick/misrepresent your response, divert the direction away from his incorrect logic, throw around random inane responses to distract (red herrings) and then he'll just waste your time by having you disprove his terrible reasoning (w/c is a waste of time since his reasoning is so bad it takes multiple paragraphs and pages of sources just to explain all the errors he made as he makes so many errors at once).
He needs you to prove him wrong to himself, not to others, w/c means he is free to simply dismiss sound logic he doesn't like and throw around more inane logic to waste your time some more. This while using double standards and a continuously moving goalpost. Even when proven wrong, he will abandon his entire argument (w/ no acknowledgement of ever being wrong) and then make another completely asinine one just to distract you (proof: this thread).
That is what a troll does, he doesn't have to be right, he doesn't argue to be right, he just needs to get the last word in so he can declare himself right by default.
My best suggestion is to do what I do, keep your best thought out responses to yourself and challenge him to a BZ (w/c he'll refuse) with a ban wager. Make the conditions as fair and as clear as possible and highlight exactly what he said. That way, his refusal will undoubtedly prove that he himself does not believe in the crap he says.
With his BZ refusal, we will be free to ignore his BS and throw his refused BZ back into his face in the future if he tries to bring back his BS in other discussions.
Problem will be if people keep engaging him, he will attempt to bury the BZ challenge and pretend it never happened. W/c is why I keep telling people not to engage him as he IS a troll.
He is not convincing anyone, not even himself. Don't waste your time. BZ challenge him. If he refuses (and he will) just copy/paste a standardized BZ challenge everytime he brings up his bad arguments. A simple copy/paste is all he deserves of your time. Beyond that, you shouldn't even waste 1 minute on him.
I fully understand the way h1 works. I'm just hoping I get him to shut up about the subject for a while. I got him to stop thinking he can throw a punch at 90 ****ing miles an hour before... yeah
The guy used to spam the comic forums until everyone put him on ignore and he realized watching movies or pretending to watch movies is a lot easier than pretending he reads comics.
Guy is the biggest troll on the site and I am fully aware of that. Even Quan in full troll mode doesn't compare to the stupid shit h1 says. Just you know, going to kick it around until I get bored.
H1 should be banned though. I don't even think he has a warning either which is crazy.
Alryt man, I don't post as much in the comic forums so I didn't know how bad his rep was (always thought he was a DC troll but if everyone has him ignored, it must be that is just a troll-troll).
Anyway, just wanted to post a prediction of what h1 will do. He's become pretty predictable (boring really). S'why I don't even give him the time of day. I just point and laugh. So long as he is not convincing anyone, I'm golden.
DC fans don't engage him as he's arguing for their boy. Everyone just kind of ignored him after awhile.
I'm kind of surprised he hates the Marvel movies as much as he hates the comics. They're not good, but they're certainly better than the DC ones by far.
Must just be a character thing with him as opposed to a quality thing.
I'm sure his handler has a fun time letting him watch movies
"Superman fly lightspeed"
"Um, Henry, they said Superman was moving at sonic speeds."
"Superman lightspeed in comic so Superman lightspeed in moving comics."
"..."
*downs a bottle of pills*
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I'll answer later on even though I really don't need to... like I mean really... I feel the points are self defeating at this stage which is why I don't feel compelled to even respond. You answer me telling you that nobody trusts anything you say and post sources with more "trust me" and more ignoring actual facts. It's so trollish. You think you can talk sense into someone and you forget just how much of a troll someone is.
Lol at "ignore it not killing Iron Man" though. Like fuk me... but I'll get to that later today.Anyway the big one everyone is arguing about. I did a little research. Turns out the star was a neutron star. The smallest a neutron star can be is 20km. Which means if we assume the distance was 80km (4 neutron stars), the speed of the beam was 20km a second since it took 4 seconds to reach the target. Which is almost 20 times faster than a 20mm bullet. Which means that Thor was being bombarded by the pressure of something traveling at that speed.
I wonder how much the matter of a neutron star weighs and what the velocity of it being propelled at 20 000 meters a second is...
But I digress. Even ignoring the matter of the star. He was still being bombarded by "something" traveling at these speeds. It showed pressure by flinging Thor at a speed that took him 7 seconds to travel 80km, so it could not have been just heat. A literal impossibility.
Him not moving shows his massive strength considering he was able to withstand "not being pushed" by this when he was holding on. As soon as he let go he was flung at over 11km a second though, and that's assuming his speed was constant even though the beam turned off halfway.
And he was absolutely blasted away at high speeds as soon as he let go. What are you even talking about here? The fact that he was propelled away at all proves pressure, let alone him looking like someone dropped an apple in front of a jet engine. How much of a liar do you have to be to pretend Thor wasn't fired at high speeds after he let go?
Someone post the scene, or better yet make a gif of Thor the projectile.😂 100 yards.
Also my typing is terrible on a computer. Too fast to notice errors. I really should use it more. Again, later tonight or tomorrow is when I'll answer the rest. It's so bad I feel no hurry to answer though.
Let's assume this was a natural neutron star and the creators got it wrong on the scaling. The mass of a proton is so small that even if one hit you traveling at high velocity will still result in a low force, and thus a low pressure.
Homework assignment. Calculate the kinetic energy of a proton traveling at the speed you think it is.
Lastly, Thor barely moved forward. He accelerated at a SMALL MAGNITUDE. The magnitude was less than the falling on Earth.
I stated this years ago. You are late.
Originally posted by h1a8They never got the scaling wrong, you did.
Let's assume this was a natural neutron star and the creators got it wrong on the scaling. The mass of a proton is so small that even if one hit you traveling at high velocity will still result in a low force, and thus a low pressure.
Homework assignment. Calculate the kinetic energy of a proton traveling at the speed you think it is.Lastly, Thor barely moved forward. He accelerated at a SMALL MAGNITUDE. The magnitude was less than the falling on Earth.
I stated this years ago. You are late.
Are you trying to liken all the material Thor was hit with to one proton... in a NEUTRON star? The most famous thing said about Neutron stars is that teaspoon of material would weigh a billion tons, and a lot more than a teaspoon came rushing out. Thor wasn't hit by one proton, he was hit by trillions upon trillions of neutrons.
It wasn't said to kill Thor because of one proton 😂
"You'll be hit with the full force of one proton. As long as you avoid that one proton you'll be fine."
How do you even come up with this shit?
You stating and you proving are different things. The fact that he was accelerated at all proves pressure was involved... lots of pressure. The fact that it took him 7 seconds to cross at least 80km, proves that there was massive acceleration.
The fact that as soon as he let go, he was launched proves it as well.
"barely moved forward"
https://gfycat.com/softtamecatfish
100 feet, barely moved forward, one proton...
What the fuk are you even talking about? I know you're a huge troll, but why are you blatantly lying so bad?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
They never got the scaling wrong, you did.Are you trying to liken all the material Thor was hit with to one proton... in a NEUTRON star? The most famous thing said about Neutron stars is that teaspoon of material would weigh a billion tons, and a lot more than a teaspoon came rushing out. Thor wasn't hit by one proton, he was hit by trillions upon trillions of neutrons.
It wasn't said to kill Thor because of one proton 😂
"You'll be hit with the full force of one proton. As long as you avoid that one proton you'll be fine."How do you even come up with this shit?
You stating and you proving are different things. The fact that he was accelerated at all proves pressure was involved... lots of pressure. The fact that it took him 7 seconds to cross at least 80km, proves that there was massive acceleration.
The fact that as soon as he let go, he was launched proves it as well."barely moved forward"
https://gfycat.com/softtamecatfish
100 feet, barely moved forward, one proton...
What the fuk are you even talking about? I know you're a huge troll, but why are you blatantly lying so bad?
Originally posted by h1a8
Well that would make everyone here a troll too, even Nibedicus. He has a thread about the rings and measures them to be hundreds of meters. No one disagreed with him.
Liar.
No one disagreed with me because I was asking if my measurements were correct and I acknowledged I could be wrong and even admitted that it was hard to measure due to Thor's tiny size and inconsistent scaling. I can even link them to the thread:
Edit. Also, I was talking about the THICKNESS of the ring, not the radius/diameter (w/c was many many many times the thickness of each ring).
Next time try not to be so dishonest ok?