Originally posted by riv6672Not really, normal Nate still has his TELEPATHY, Superman is potent in specific areas, but his resistance towards Telepathy is absolutely inconsistent, for every his great mind resistance, there is another for where he fails, plus this is Nate Grey we are talking about it, Superman is not the character that is capable to resist such force.
^^^owtch!
I think that first one favors Supes. Mental powers are so hax, though!
Not only that Pre-Shaman Nate's Telekinesis can shut down other people's powers, he can basically turn off Superman's power if he wants basically - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924015-xmanannual1996page15imagc4.jpg
Even in Pre-Shaman days, Nate still had molecular level telekinesis - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924047-xman03509xp6.jpg
Turns glass into sand - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924074-xman03307jn9.jpg
Recreates Gwen Stacy - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924054-xman03714hc4.jpg
Recreates Madelyne - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111152067/3924057-x-man_025_p29.jpg
Pre-Shaman Nate can also stop time - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924050-cable03009.jpg
Become intagible - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924712-xman2320xc6.jpg
and etc.... he has enough powers to take on Superman even if it is Regular Nate.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Not really, normal Nate still has his TELEPATHY, Superman is potent in specific areas, but his resistance towards Telepathy is absolutely inconsistent, for every his great mind resistance, there is another for where he fails, plus this is Nate Grey we are talking about it, Superman is not the character that is capable to resist such force.Not only that Pre-Shaman Nate's Telekinesis can shut down other people's powers, he can basically turn off Superman's power if he wants basically - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924015-xmanannual1996page15imagc4.jpg
Even in Pre-Shaman days, Nate still had molecular level telekinesis - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924047-xman03509xp6.jpg
Turns glass into sand - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924074-xman03307jn9.jpg
Recreates Gwen Stacy - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924054-xman03714hc4.jpg
Recreates Madelyne - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111152067/3924057-x-man_025_p29.jpgPre-Shaman Nate can also stop time - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924050-cable03009.jpg
Become intagible - http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11115/111152067/3924712-xman2320xc6.jpg
and etc.... he has enough powers to take on Superman even if it is Regular Nate.
And,you don't prove that Nate's telekinesis negate Superman's power.
It seems to be X-factor(mutant power) negation.
You must prove that his negation can work on other metahuman who is not mutant.
And, Superman has attosecond speed feat.he can kill Nate before he does something.
And, Superman has attosecond speed feat.he can kill Nate before he does something.
But hey, as long as you can chalk one up fir Supes in the almighty WIN column, right. 🙄
I’m out. Enjoy your ism.
Originally posted by CatL18
Supertman has resisted universal or multiversal mental attack.
They are high-end feat though, you can't ignore them.
I actually can, by the mere facts, that those are inconsistent for Superman, and for every resistance feats he has far more where he fails to resist, but of course we are gonna ignore far more consistent instances of him failing for the sake of wanking certain character obviouslly
Do i really need to cite countless times he fails against mental attacks, there are plenty examples to draw and you know that.
Originally posted by CatL18And,you don't prove that Nate's telekinesis negate Superman's power.
It seems to be X-factor(mutant power) negation.
You must prove that his negation can work on other metahuman who is not mutant.
*sigh*, acting dense i see.
Nate negated Magnus's power, it doesn't matter what he did there, the core remains the same he can negate super-powers with TK, you saying he messed with X-gene is headcanon with no evidence, you made that claim, then please back it up with facts then headcanon.
Also Superman's powers are also GENETIC based as well, so even if Nate negates X-gene, then the argument still remains the same, all he has to do is telekinetically shut down the gene that grants Superman his solar absorbing powers, simple as it can get.
Originally posted by CatL18
And, Superman has attosecond speed feat.he can kill Nate before he does something.
More fan-fictions, please. Superman has no legit attosecond feats, plus Nate can STOP TIME, speed is irrelevant here.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
I actually can, by the mere facts, that those are inconsistent for Superman, and for every resistance feats he has far more where he fails to resist, but of course we are gonna ignore far more consistent instances of him failing for the sake of wanking certain character obviousllyDo i really need to cite countless times he fails against mental attacks, there are plenty examples to draw and you know that.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
*sigh*, acting dense i see.Nate negated Magnus's power, it doesn't matter what he did there, the core remains the same he can negate super-powers with TK, you saying he messed with X-gene is headcanon with no evidence, you made that claim, then please back it up with facts then headcanon.
Also Superman's powers are also GENETIC based as well, so even if Nate negates X-gene, then the argument still remains the same, all he has to do is telekinetically shut down the gene that grants Superman his solar absorbing powers, simple as it can get.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
More fan-fictions, please. Superman has no legit attosecond feats, plus Nate can STOP TIME, speed is irrelevant here.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIIAccording to forum rules, we go by what the character can do at his best. Low-balling isn't allowed, for Superman, for Flash, or for anybody. Superman has documented high-end telepathic resistance. If you don't like the rules, be careful when the door closes.
I actually can, by the mere facts, that those are inconsistent for Superman, and for every resistance feats he has far more where he fails to resist, but of course we are gonna ignore far more consistent instances of him failing for the sake of wanking certain character obviouslly
Originally posted by riv6672
According to forum rules, we go by what the character can do at his best. Low-balling isn't allowed, for Superman, for Flash, or for anybody. Superman has documented high-end telepathic resistance. If you don't like the rules, be careful when the door closes.
You seem to unable understand difference between CONSISTENCY AND LOWBALLING, but don't worry you are not the only one with such inability - but anyways lowballings are defined as rare type showcased feats which contradict character's estabilished power-level, but consistency are feats and instances that constantly happen and are consistent with character, Superman's telepathic resistance falls into second category, he has at best 2 decent resistance feats, but on the other hand he has 10+ feats failing against telepathy, consistency is the better overall.
Originally posted by CatL18
Typical lowballing.
Low-end Feats doesn't debunk high-end feats.
Another person who doesn't understand the difference between consistency and lowballing, so i'll repeat what i said already.
" You seem to unable understand difference between CONSISTENCY AND LOWBALLING, but don't worry you are not the only one with such inability - but anyways lowballings are defined as rare type showcased feats which contradict character's estabilished power-level, but consistency are feats and instances that constantly happen and are consistent with character, Superman's telepathic resistance falls into second category, he has at best 2 decent resistance feats, but on the other hand he has 10+ feats failing against telepathy, consistency is the better overall. "
Lowballing = rare type feats contradicting character's estabilished power.
Consistency= similar feats which constantly happen on regular basis.
So no offence, but all these instances don't classify as lowballing.
Brainiac - https://imgur.com/a/vyEtcYC
Doomsday - https://imgur.com/a/bnRe76K
Grodd - https://imgur.com/a/xCGFsfP
Manchester Black - https://imgur.com/a/tTn5Hes
Random Monkey - https://imgur.com/a/PAXPqYZ
White Martian - https://imgur.com/a/dQibWXu
Another random person with TP - https://imgur.com/a/nTiw8IZ
Martian Manhunter - https://imgur.com/a/zper4zx
Hector Hammond - https://imgur.com/a/lGB6ifp
Another girl with TP - https://imgur.com/a/24ISNJa
Little girl with TP - https://imgur.com/a/ZpeggIb
Another random villain with TP - https://imgur.com/a/EkKt4Vf
Martian Manhunter, again - https://imgur.com/a/RA3RmKp
Brainiac, again - https://imgur.com/a/MdlBp5m
Martian Manhunter, again - https://imgur.com/a/5Mm1bYW
Max Lord - https://imgur.com/a/F06UiRJ
Dracula - https://imgur.com/a/znZsyu4
and etc...
Originally posted by CatL18
As I said, negating mutant's power doesn't prove that it can work on other meta human, not mutant.
You must show the feat that Nate's TK can work on metahuman,not mutant.
Even if he can negate Superman's Power, Superman can speedblitz Nate before he does.
Again, both mutants powers and Superman's powers are GENETIC based, it's their unique DNA which gives them their powers, so once again it's a proper equivalency, since both are super-powered creatures with genetic based abilities, so it will work, simple as that.
Blitz Nate, yes, good luck with that, against the person who can STOP TIME, and doesn't need body to function ala astral self.
Originally posted by CatL18
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5805303
Superman speedblitz Nate before he can time stop
So some scan with no valid confirmation source, show me the SOURCE where that interview or something happened.
Again, Supes is not the type of person who blitzes from the get go, nor is he that fast to blitz before time gets stopped.
