Originally posted by Philosophía
No, it's low-balling.Example:
he has at best 2 decent resistance feats
This is not true.
Once again proving that you don't understand difference between CONSISTENCY AND LOWBALLING, even when people explain it in its basic form, but yeah nice try though, yeah Superman on regular basis has barely low resistance feats compared to every time he gets dropped by TP, that's fact.
Also you adressed difference aspect, rather than what my post was proposing, guess you can only change subjects, huh...
Originally posted by PhilosophíaKeep lying, and you will be reported smile.
Good luck with that.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Care to list those? Scans or issue numbers will suffice.
Sure, how about 17 instances.
Brainiac - https://imgur.com/a/vyEtcYC
Doomsday - https://imgur.com/a/bnRe76K
Grodd - https://imgur.com/a/xCGFsfP
Manchester Black - https://imgur.com/a/tTn5Hes
Random Monkey - https://imgur.com/a/PAXPqYZ
White Martian - https://imgur.com/a/dQibWXu
Another random person with TP - https://imgur.com/a/nTiw8IZ
Martian Manhunter - https://imgur.com/a/zper4zx
Hector Hammond - https://imgur.com/a/lGB6ifp
Another girl with TP - https://imgur.com/a/24ISNJa
Little girl with TP - https://imgur.com/a/ZpeggIb
Another random villain with TP - https://imgur.com/a/EkKt4Vf
Martian Manhunter, again - https://imgur.com/a/RA3RmKp
Brainiac, again - https://imgur.com/a/MdlBp5m
Martian Manhunter, again - https://imgur.com/a/5Mm1bYW
Max Lord - https://imgur.com/a/F06UiRJ
Dracula - https://imgur.com/a/znZsyu4
and etc...
There are more of course.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIII will debate you on this:
Once again proving that you don't understand difference between CONSISTENCY AND LOWBALLING
With a ban on the line.
Agree?
Also, this:
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Sure, how about 17 instances.
Brainiac - https://imgur.com/a/vyEtcYC
Doomsday - https://imgur.com/a/bnRe76K
Grodd - https://imgur.com/a/xCGFsfP
Manchester Black - https://imgur.com/a/tTn5Hes
Random Monkey - https://imgur.com/a/PAXPqYZ
White Martian - https://imgur.com/a/dQibWXu
Another random person with TP - https://imgur.com/a/nTiw8IZ
Martian Manhunter - https://imgur.com/a/zper4zx
Hector Hammond - https://imgur.com/a/lGB6ifp
Another girl with TP - https://imgur.com/a/24ISNJa
Little girl with TP - https://imgur.com/a/ZpeggIb
Another random villain with TP - https://imgur.com/a/EkKt4Vf
Martian Manhunter, again - https://imgur.com/a/RA3RmKp
Brainiac, again - https://imgur.com/a/MdlBp5m
Martian Manhunter, again - https://imgur.com/a/5Mm1bYW
Max Lord - https://imgur.com/a/F06UiRJ
Dracula - https://imgur.com/a/znZsyu4
and etc...There are more of course.
Is also straight up-trolling, given the context in all of them.
For example..
You use a single page of Doomsday-Brainiac blasting him, when:
1). He didn't know that Brainiac was in Doomsday, and it took him by surprise.
2). All that blast did is a memory transfer, and Superman was still casually standing:
https://imgur.com/a/gLl7ahr
https://imgur.com/a/36tc4vi
https://imgur.com/a/6e0WwyU
You actually use Max Lord when in your own scan he specifically says it took him years to take control:
You use Manchester Black's illusions, when Manchester Black's TP had to surprise Superman at his weakest just to find out his secret identity:
You use White Martians, when Superman specifically plowed through their TP when he realized they were Martians and had TP. Superman has basic knowledge of Nate, so he knows to resist.
etc.
You crop out scans, you leave out context, you have no idea of the characters you're even posting about "little girl, this guy".
Quite pathetic, actually.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I never got all the hoopla with Nate. Seemed at best almost top tier to me, but people play him up like the second coming of Baz both in comics and out.Superman should be able to just waltz up and punch his face off imo. Probably not Phoenix Nate though.
nate is pretty awesome. he def has some of the best tp/tk feats in marvel if we discount cosmic characters. at the end of his series when he assumed the shaman role his powers were droolio. i've always been a big nate guy. i can see him winning a couple here, but i think he'd need to use ALL his powers and use them very well. if they fought 10 times, i could see him getting wrecked in the first few but i think he would be able to figure out a way to take superman down once he saw what he could do. i know that's not how the forum works, but that's sort of what i can see happening. he's def capable of pulling off a black-style stroke, for example, but he would never do that at the outset. once kal blew up his shields and powered through his tp it'd be too late, but he could learn enough to get him later. imo.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I will debate you on this:
"he has at best 2 decent resistance feats"With a ban on the line.
Agree?
You are so desperate to get me banned, huh...silly indeed.
But nah, i am not interested, thank you very much.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaFor example..
You use a single page of Doomsday-Brainiac blasting him, when:
1). He didn't know that Brainiac was in Doomsday, and it took him by surprise.
2). All that blast did is a memory transfer, and Superman was still casually standing:
https://imgur.com/a/gLl7ahr
https://imgur.com/a/36tc4vi
https://imgur.com/a/6e0WwyU
1. Irrelevant, whether he knew or not, it doesn't change the telepathic aspect of him getting TP'd, he was in battle and was battle prepared.
2. True, but not telepathic attacks means to destroy others minds, at its core telepathy is probing others minds, which worked on Superman, since DD clearly probed his mind and gave him visions.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You actually use Max Lord when in your own scan[/u] he specifically says it took him years to take control:
Does it change the fact that he was controlled, also in that issue he stated, that once Max wakes up from KO, he can INSTANTLY take control of Superaman again, also stated in the same scans as well.
[i]Originally posted by Philosophía
You use Manchester Black's illusions, when Manchester Black's TP had to surprise Superman at his weakest just to find out his secret identity:
At his weakest, more nonsense please, Superman's power-lvel was thee same, surprising or not is irrelevant, telepathic resistances are usually automatic and if the character has defences they will sense once they are getting probed.
And giving illusions is still proof of Supes getting probed by Black to give him those visions.
As for finding out his indentity, Black merely chose to stop there, he could've clearly done worse, given how didn't have to even concentrate that hard on any of the tasks.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You use White Martians, when Superman specifically plowed through their TP when he realized they were Martians and had TP.
He didn't plow through their TP, more nonsense please.
He was induced under false kryptonite vision, he thought maybe it was fake but even when he realized it he didn't plow through it, instead then he heat vision'ed Protex with all his effort, who is weak to fire because he is a martian and thus lost concentration on making TP vision work.
In short Superman didn't exactly power through TP in that instance.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaSuperman has basic knowledge of Nate, so he knows to resist.
Sure, kid, in your dreams obviously. He never resisted Nate level TP on consistent basis, he can dream of that though.
Having knowledge or not is irrelevant, just like having knowledge whether or not someone or not is stronger than him, doesn't make him more powerful.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You crop out scans, you leave out context,
Which technically doesn't even change the overall construction of instance, since the aspect remains the same, he got TP'd.
You merely adressed 2-3 instances out of 17+ of them, which technically doesn't change the consistency aspect.
Originally posted by Philosophía
you have no idea of the characters you're even posting about "little girl, this guy".
Your lack of sense of humour is distrubing, anyone with a brain of a child would understand the obvious sarcastic elements, not that hard though.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Quite pathetic, actually.
Ad-hominems, yeah, i see where this is going.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaNo we don't.
According to forum rules, we go by what the character can do at his best. Low-balling isn't allowed, for Superman, for Flash, or for anybody. Superman has documented high-end telepathic resistance. If you don't like the rules, be careful when the door closes.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIII'm just putting you in the spotlight.
You are so desperate to get me banned, huh...silly indeed.But nah, i am not interested, thank you very much.
The ban will come from your own trolling/spamming, and general lying.
Good to know you're a coward and won't stand by your statement, but would rather lie, kid.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIIWhat the f*ck? And you say you don't want to get banned?
Irrelevant, whether he knew or not, it doesn't change the telepathic aspect of him getting TP'd, he was in battle and was battle prepared.
This is blatant trolling.
Again.
Being aware of a TP attack, or being sucker-punched by one while thinking you're fighting Doomsday, are two different things. Resisting TP requires active willpower.
His aware mind can stop Dreadnaught's psionics from blocking his powers, when he was unaware he succumbed to it:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274545/SupesPowerBlock1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274546/SupesPowerBlock2.jpg.html
His focused mind can shield his thoughts even from J'onn:
Superman’s consciousness is so strong it sends J’onn on the ground when he tries to mindprobe.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274326/jonnconsciousness1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274327/jonnconsciousness2.jpg.html
He has left Brainiac cataconic once he started fighting back:
He has resisted him even at after multiple upgrades:
In this thread, Superman is focused and aware of his opponent's abilities, he doesn't get sucker-punched while thinking he is fighting a Doomsday-like monster.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIIHe was controlled because Max Lord took years shaping Superman's mind to the point where not even J'onn could restore it.
Does it change the fact that he was controlled, also in that issue he stated, that once Max wakes up from KO, he can INSTANTLY take control of Superaman again, also stated in the same scans as well.
He could instantly take control of Superman because the mind is already altered.
You've posted example of high-end telepaths taking long-periods of time to take control of Superman without him being aware to fight back [Max Lord], of having to probe his mind and find him at his weakest just to find out his secret identity [Max Lord], of Superman being surprised by Brainiac posing as Doomsday and sucker-punching him with a memory-sharing TP...and this...
...is..
...somehow relevant to Superman actively knowing who Nate is, actively fighting back? This is supposed to make Superman look bad? lol
Does Nate get years of prep on an unsuspecting Superman?
Have you read the forum rules?
When Superman can actively resist and grapple with Despero, who had taken control of J'onn/Aquaman and a shitload of other heroes:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274318/desperotelepathy1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274319/desperotelepathy2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274320/desperotelepathy3.jpg.html
When in his high-end, Superman has actively greater mental resistance than the entire DCU heroes including the likes of J'onn, Wonder Woman and more combined - while he is getting to an amped-Hammond where the TP is even greater:
When Superman consciously lets Eclipso inside of him, just to prove that he has mental resistance and can keep him out:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274558/OvercomesEclipso1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274559/OvercomesEclipso2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274560/OvercomesEclipso3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274561/OvercomesEclipso4.jpg.html
When he can shrugg off Maxima's psi-bolts, which have taken down Orion easily:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274562/maximapsibolt.jpg.html
The same Superman who's had Mind-Resistance training with J'onn, and puts it in practice against magical Mind-Attacks:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274563/jonntraining2.jpg.html
Originally posted by MaZeRaIIIMind-resistance is not 'automatic'. How the f*ck can you even say something like this?
At his weakest, more nonsense please, Superman's power-lvel was thee same, surprising or not is irrelevant, telepathic resistances are usually automatic and if the character has defences they will sense once they are getting probed.
Stop.
The.
Trolling.
"At his weakest" is not nonsense. Manchester Black specifically had to wait until his father in law died to find the 'chink in his armor'. He was specifically spending time 'constantly cracking for cracks in that alien dogpile you call a mind'
He specifically says this, troll:
https://i.imgur.com/T2BXOER.jpg
I posted the scan.
Originally posted by One Big MobJust saw this, and lol'd.
Random Villain Medusa Mask
This one made me laugh the most:
https://imgur.com/a/zper4zx
A close second is Dracula.
It's like he google searched "Superman weak TP!!1" and posted the first scans that popped up.
The Grodd one is hilarious, too, since he left out the fact that he was amped, and did the exact same thing to Martian Manhunter [TP'd him fire] and Aquaman [middle of the desert without water]:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274660/GroddAmp0.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274661/GroddAmp1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274662/GroddAmp2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39274663/GroddAmp3.jpg.html
There's literally zero effort, in any of his posts, it's incredible.
A veritable 'throw as much shit as you can trying to tire everybody'.
Without Round3, Superman has enough mental resistance feats and speed feats to defeat Nate. I think
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Another person who doesn't understand the difference between consistency and lowballing, so i'll repeat what i said already." You seem to unable understand difference between CONSISTENCY AND LOWBALLING, but don't worry you are not the only one with such inability - but anyways lowballings are defined as rare type showcased feats which contradict character's estabilished power-level, but consistency are feats and instances that constantly happen and are consistent with character, Superman's telepathic resistance falls into second category, he has at best 2 decent resistance feats, but on the other hand he has 10+ feats failing against telepathy, consistency is the better overall. "
Lowballing = rare type feats contradicting character's estabilished power.
Consistency= similar feats which constantly happen on regular basis.So no offence, but all these instances don't classify as lowballing.
Brainiac - https://imgur.com/a/vyEtcYC
Doomsday - https://imgur.com/a/bnRe76K
Grodd - https://imgur.com/a/xCGFsfP
Manchester Black - https://imgur.com/a/tTn5Hes
Random Monkey - https://imgur.com/a/PAXPqYZ
White Martian - https://imgur.com/a/dQibWXu
Another random person with TP - https://imgur.com/a/nTiw8IZ
Martian Manhunter - https://imgur.com/a/zper4zx
Hector Hammond - https://imgur.com/a/lGB6ifp
Another girl with TP - https://imgur.com/a/24ISNJa
Little girl with TP - https://imgur.com/a/ZpeggIb
Another random villain with TP - https://imgur.com/a/EkKt4Vf
Martian Manhunter, again - https://imgur.com/a/RA3RmKp
Brainiac, again - https://imgur.com/a/MdlBp5m
Martian Manhunter, again - https://imgur.com/a/5Mm1bYW
Max Lord - https://imgur.com/a/F06UiRJ
Dracula - https://imgur.com/a/znZsyu4
and etc...
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Again, both mutants powers and Superman's powers are GENETIC based, it's their unique DNA which gives them their powers, so once again it's a proper equivalency, since both are super-powered creatures with genetic based abilities, so it will work, simple as that.Blitz Nate, yes, good luck with that, against the person who can STOP TIME, and doesn't need body to function ala astral self.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
So some scan with no valid confirmation source, show me the SOURCE where that interview or something happened.
So, It was proven that Superman can speedbltz at attoseconds
It's not lowballing when it happens all the time...
When it happens all the time that's called STANDARD...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/standard
"something set up and established by authority as a rule for the measure of quantity, weight, extent, value, or quality "
For example:
"OH MY GOD ! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR SUPERMAN LOSES ALL THE TIME AGAINST PSIONICS ! THAT'S STANDARD !"
Originally posted by RealityWarper
It's not lowballing when it happens all the time...When it happens all the time that's called STANDARD...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/standard
"something set up and established by authority as a rule for the measure of quantity, weight, extent, value, or quality "
For example:
"OH MY GOD ! OUR LORD AND SAVIOR SUPERMAN LOSES ALL THE TIME AGAINST PSIONICS ! THAT'S STANDARD !"
Originally posted by CatL18
[B]Typical trolling
Superman doesn't always lose to Psionics or other mental attack.
He often resist them.
He was far more often wrecked by them.
We can bring statistics if you want.
We can compare how many times he has been wrecked to how many times he has resisted them.
👆
Ignoring them is typical lowballing like you always do
"Like I always do"
Ok; dude.
You are the one saying that we have to ignore over 18 instances of Superman being raped telepathically for 3 times he resisted it...
Let's bring the statistics for that:
On 21 times Superman has been telepathically assaulted, he resisted 3 times.
That means that Superman resisted 15 % of the time (with that statistic) and that also means that he was mentally raped 85 % of the time.
In recent story line, He overcome even Parallax's posession,
Which has nothing to do with telepathically controlling him.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
He was far more often wrecked by them.We can bring statistics if you want.
We can compare how many times he has been wrecked to how many times he has resisted them.
And, low-end feats don't debunk high-end feats.👆
Originally posted by RealityWarper
"Like I always do"Ok; dude.
You are the one saying that we have to ignore over 18 instances of Superman being raped telepathically for 3 times he resisted it...
Let's bring the statistics for that:
On 21 times Superman has been telepathically assaulted, he resisted 3 times.
That means that Superman resisted 15 % of the time (with that statistic) and that also means that he was mentally raped 85 % of the time.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Which has nothing to do with telepathically controlling him.
Originally posted by CatL18
So, do it.
We can post more feats that Superman has resisted every form of mentak attack.
You intentionally ignore that Superman has many many telepathic resistance feats.
I've just did it.
They are enough to debunk your typical trolling.
and, We can post more.
You have just been debunked by it.
Posession is one of mental attack like telepathy though.
Superman can resist through sheer willpower.
Sure, less than 15 % of the time and I'm vastly highballing it.
