Pre-52 Martian Manhunter vs Superman in strength

I know J'onn has that one feat of getting wrecked by Supergirl, but other than that he is equal to Superman physically (not counting Post Flashpoint)

In this thread, it's time to prove it once and for all, because writers can't seem to make up their minds

All MM has to do is match Superman in strength, whether it's arm wrestling, weight lifting, punching asteroids, etc

Not really a VS thread, and I believe J'onn isn't on that level, but if anyone has a nice J'onn scan or two that I haven't seen before, let's see 'em.

Thank you for your mercy,

You can't prove anything once and for all. Comics rarely work that way.

MM does have some portrayals where he is Superman's physical equal, but they are outnumbered by ones where he is not. And he has no portrayals where he is actually stronger.

😖hifty:

More powerful. He has a number of portrayals where he is said to be more powerful than Superman. But not STRONGER.

Yeah, technically you're right.

And even that didn't last, as seen in Blackest Night, when he says he's only "as powerful":

https://i.imgur.com/W4ZmfTp.jpg

We can find the opposite, too--where MM is powerful, but no Superman.

Yeah, against that sentient Doomsday clone or whatever it was...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, against that sentient Doomsday clone or whatever it was...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5e7f6ddde919edfeb717e93929b96202

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-862649f1d73ca48ff0b0ae06fc24c006

He does poorly against Doomsday, despite being more powerful than the Man of Steel, Superman

But on the other hand, it can be argued that Supergirl had Loeb force when she wrecked him, but it doesn't make her any stronger than J'onn as he was able to draw blood from her. The funny thing is that weaker white martians have been able to completely stomp Superman and J'onn on the other hand been has shown to speed blitz them.

And considering MMH easily overpowered Ultraman who by the way has the exact same power set and feats as superman doesn't make him not consistently more physically powerful?

He can talk a big game but Superman would break both his arms before he broke a sweat.

Superman is stronger

Originally posted by carver9
Superman is stronger

MM has the better overall powerset.

Martian Manhunter is obviously more powerful given his vast variety of powers and their utilities.

But is he stronger though? Personally, i don't think so, we already have another Superman's equal and that's Captain Marvel/Black Adam, and every time MMH fights Cap or Adam in pure physical battle, he gets whooped hard. In Underworld Unleashed Cap (at 50% of his power, since Mary was also powered up) nearly killed MMH, in WW3 Adam (less at 50% of his power, since he gave much of his power to Isis which was contained in amulet, and he didn't return that portion of his power back during WW3, as the amulet was shattered and those parts were hidden) pretty much 2-3 shotted MMH.

In short MMH, while can claim to be strong as Superman, when actually facing Superman-level strength, he doesn't perform so well.

Versatility is overrated. Comics aren't realistic. I think Superman is both decisively stronger, and at the least significantly more powerful on the whole, in the comics world.

Having more powers and being more powerful are often not the same thing. There is the Fernus aspect to consider, but I don't think you can really call that J'onn.

Superman has more power, imo. It's just spread across fewer outlets than J'onn's power is.

Versatility realistically adds more power: if you give Superman another power, while granting him only the same amount of total power, he is in one sense more powerful, and yet not in another. Sometimes writers value versatility, but on the whole, they do not value it nearly as much as it realistically should be.

SM is stronger period it's not even close.

Superman has the better feats. MMH is massively overrated on many forums.