Blue Marvel vs. Magneto

Started by MaZeRaIII3 pages

Originally posted by Stoic
@Maz. It's kind of funny that you low ball the team that Adam stood up against, state as if it was a matter of fact that carrying a state sized asteroid isn't much which we both know is bullshit, attempt to dictate what the writers would acknowledge while applying science to science fiction, make it seem as if Doc Green was weak, conveniently forget that Pagan wrecked the Avengers with Thor on it, only to be beaten by Blue Marvel, and there are plenty of other examples, but then won't use the same low balling tactics on Magneto, or at least acknowledge how well he did against a group of teenage X-Men. Oh but let's cast a blind eye on Ares, make it seem as if Wonder Man, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel and Sentry, were fodder characters. Even conveniently forget that Iron Man has armor that can resist Magneto's powers. But by all means, continue onward on the path of bullshit that you've conveniently paved.

Blue Marvel wins.

Lowball the team consisting of Iron Man (fodder to high-tiers), Wonder Man (fodder to high-tiers, as if Immortal Hulk hasn't teached you that yet), She-Hulk (obviously another fodder), Ares (the guy who gets one-shotted even by parallel version of Sentry, which are weaker) and vastly weakened Sentry.

There is nothing to lowball about this team, most of them are plain fodder (except Sentry) and the only who mattered was Sentry, and he was in vastly weakened state.

You are still bringing up that asteroid feat, cool and all, but it's irrelevant, sure it's cool lifting feat (not high-tier level though), but it doesn't speak about how hard he can punch.

Again, you are ignoring the notions of which i provided in regards to science based characters, you are still trying to assume that i meant full blown realism, but i never meant that if you actually read my replies properly, rather than randomly skipping through, so you are constructing falsy misunderstood arguments here, my science based arguments are simple - Superman is solar powered creature thus someone with solar draining powers can drain him - basic science level understanding, Got it? I hope so, thus someone like BM will get defeated by Mags, given how Mag Fields and Anti-Matter interact, there is nothing complex going on there.

Yeah Doc Green is weak, compared to normal Hulk, impressive feat for Ult. Hulk, but nowhere close to the real deal.

Pagan? Sorry, but there is a neat thing called jobbing, i can show you Spidey wrecking Firelord, or Cap/Spidey besting Hulk, doesn't make those feats legit. This type of feat is simply inconsistent for Blue Marvel, someone who gets matched by Hyperion, the same Hyperon who had a hard time against Namor, a mid-tier.

So Blue Marvel doing good teen X-Men, cool sadly only Jean packs an actual fire-power of all of them, and she didn't even try to use that fire-power.

You are playing blind i see, i never said that Sentry was fodder, it seems that you blindly reply, rather than actually properly reading posts in order to understand the underlying narrative.

But yes Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel and Iron Man are fodder, especially Ms. Marvel who can't even make Hulk feel her punches.

Iron Man's armors magnetic resistance has been overcome time and time, again by Magneto, but yeah let's forget those times, but anywas here's the last time Iron Man and Mags fought, he easily took control of his armor, and that was DEPOWERED Magneto, and it was one of the best/OP Iron Man's armors. - https://imgur.com/a/OULXt17

Oh so instead of properly adressing arguments, you are now calling them bullshit, sorry just because you can't counter them properly doesn't make them any less valid.

Sure Blue Marvel wins, it's not as if he can't break Mag's shields or will get defeated by shutting down his brain, or frying his nervous system, or mind controlling him, or taking control over his body and so on... still no arguments from you answering how is BM gonna survive these attacks, especially when Mags can easily mess with anti-matter with magnetism.

Originally posted by Stoic
The very idea that he took it to a team of Avengers that would beat the tar out of Magneto collectively should tell you who wins this, and to add insult to injury Pagan tore through a team that was arguably as powerful if not more so than the one that Adam attempted to persuade while they were attempting to KO him, only to defeat Pagan solo.

Oh so we are comparing who took on better teams, then well Magneto took an entire team of Avengers and X-Men combined, much better than anything Adam can dream of.

Also you are stiil trying to pass it up as impressive, when most of the team is cannon fodder - Iron Man, Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Ares, - Hulk would one-shot this people. The only who was actually top-tier was Sentry, and he was int vastly weakened state and wrecked Adam.

As for Pagan, he got jobbed to Adam, the same way Firelord got jobbed to Spidey, the same way Hulk got jobbed to Spidey/Cap America, applying inconsistent feats is hardly relevant. Especially not when BM gets matched by the likes of Hyperion, who has hard times battling Namor of all people. I guess Namor and Hyperion can also beat Pagan, given how close they operate on BM's level, lol.

Originally posted by Stoic
But he would have the rest of that team digging into his ass if we were to switch positions.
Sure, not gonna work though.

Originally posted by Stoic

Then he one shot Ultimate Hulk. There wasn't even a brief tussle, and Blue Marvel is still suspect of lacking feats that make him an elite top tier despite the shit that has affected top tiers? Call it what you will but that's bullshit from where I'm standing.

Yeah because one-shotting Ultimate Hulk doesn't make one high-tier, noe when Ult. Hulk himself is on lower tiers, given his feats.

Impressive feats, but not top-tier, not matter how much we overrank them.

Magneto wins.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
This instance was merely a telepathic vision that Jean gave to Mags, none of this was real, she simply tried to make a point that if they fought there would be unneccesary death and blood, which Mags would later regret.
This is not true.

If you continue lying, in numerous threads, you will be reported for trolling.

Originally posted by Philosophía
This is not true.

If you continue lying, in numerous threads, you will be reported for trolling.

As usual, you are wrong here as well, there is no lying just because you can't accept simple facts or haven't read comics properly.

From X-Men V2 #113, Jean was messing with Magneto's head giving him visions since the moment he "killed" Dazzler, so the whole battle with X-Men was also under Jean's influence of telepathy.

https://imgur.com/a/clV9eRe

So overall, the only one lying here was YOU, but don't worry i don't report over such small things.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
As usual, you are wrong here as well, there is no lying just because you can't accept simple facts or haven't read comics properly.

From X-Men V2 #113, Jean was messing with Magneto's head giving him visions since the moment he "killed" Dazzler, so the whole battle with X-Men was also under Jean's influence of telepathy.

https://imgur.com/a/clV9eRe

So overall, the only one lying here was YOU, but don't worry i don't report over such small things.

You have two options here:
1). You admit you don't know how to read comics, and go in the corner with carver.
2). You keep on going, and you will be reported.

The only illusion Jean projected was that of Dazzler dying and changing places with Xavier. The scan itself, that you have a hard time reading, says at such.

Magneto actually encountered them, actuall stopped Northstar, and actually sent Paulie into space.

The rest of the fight was real. That's why Northstar is doing mouth-to-mouth to Paulie, after he rescued him from space:

You concede, or I will report you. It's as simple as that.

Mouth to mouth was an illusion to get Magneto aroused and distracted.

This is literally crazy.

He's doing this in every thread. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he's Bazzie in Jesus mode.

We're all bazie. Bazerall. One Big Baz. Bazosophia. It's just the rate of infection that is different. Sooner or later we all head back to the abyss we crawled out of.

Killer Bazie Forums is calling us all home on its death throes.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You have two options here:
1). You admit you don't know how to read comics, and go in the corner with carver.

Nice way to describe yourself 👆

Originally posted by Philosophía

2). You keep on going, and you will be reported.

Well, good luck with that too.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The only illusion Jean projected was that of Dazzler dying and changing places with Xavier. The scan itself, that you have a hard time reading, says at such.

If you actually learned how to see and mein god even read, you would know i posted 2 scans with Jean in first scan using Telepathy given we see the actual glow (thus already providing the original implications that she was using it all the time) then in the second scan we get explanation of Dazzler moment. She was already messing with Mags since Dazzler part, not so hard to understand she was doing the same in that battle as well, like when in the last moment Magneto "tries" to kill Wolvie, but none of that happens, then Mags sees Jean with her head glowing.

So while some parts of the battle were not visions, but some of them were clearly of those.

Originally posted by Philosophía

Magneto actually encountered them, actuall stopped Northstar, and actually sent Paulie into space.

Well agree on Northstar part, but disagreed on other specific parts.

Originally posted by Philosophía

The rest of the fight was real. That's why Northstar is doing mouth-to-mouth to Paulie, after he rescued him from space:

Well, i can agree on Northstar part though.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Well agree on Northstar part, but disagreed on other specific parts.

Well, i can agree on Northstar part though.

You don't agree, you were corrected on[/b]. People all around this forum, when they have patience, keep correcting you, in every thread you post.

Your position was that the Northstar scene which Stiltman posted:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

...was an illusion by Jean:

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
This instance was merely a telepathic vision that Jean gave to Mags, none of this was real, she simply tried to make a point that if they fought there would be unneccesary death and blood, which Mags would later regret.

...which is false.

Which is clear as light for [u]everybody who read the issue:

Originally posted by Philosophía
You have two options here:
1). You admit you don't know how to read comics, and go in the corner with carver.
2). You keep on going, and you will be reported.

The only illusion Jean projected was that of Dazzler dying and changing places with Xavier. The scan itself, that you have a hard time reading, says at such.

Magneto actually encountered them, actuall stopped Northstar, and actually sent Paulie into space.

The rest of the fight was real. That's why Northstar is doing mouth-to-mouth to Paulie, after he rescued him from space:

You concede, or I will report you. It's as simple as that.

You trying to dumb-snake your way out of it, by saying you disagree with the rest of the fight which wasn't even brought up in this thread and that you agree with the Northstar part is just that - a dumb snake move.

Try to read the comic books you're blatantly lying about, or you're going to have a problem.

😂 👆

that aside, i have a hard time seeing mags take a majority here. he def has the power set and experience, but it seems we'd need to look at many of his best feats if we're to give him a majority here. using his best he can def win some, but in general i think bm would be too much. bm also is FAR from stupid, and against someone like mags, i think fighting intelligently, and using brains to counter some of what he can do, would be a very bog asset to bm. be interesting to see how his anti-matter powers stacked up to mags em control though. mags has some pretty solid exotic energy manipulation feats, but would ant-matter fall outside his ability to affect? maybe. if he COULD control anti-matter, then of course he wins. again, for some reason i just don't really see it happening. at least enough to give him a majority here.