Originally posted by quanchi112
The declining numbers for the previous films, common sense, and reality. You can pretend people care but just a few nutty hardcore dc losers care they do not represent the main audience. MCU proved times are a changin.
Which film? You have already been called out on that. Justice League was not a Superman film. Heck he was the least marketed part of that film. Prior to that the films starring Cavill were going up in numbers.
I have numbers on my side. All you have is anti-Superman bias.
Originally posted by Darth ThorEven his first film gave us laskluster numbers. Adding Batman in failed to crack a billion. He was a part of it so quit pretending he was not in it. No one rushed out to see the film because they have had enough Superman. He is not the draw he once was.
Which film? You have already been called out on that. Justice League was not a Superman film. Heck he was the least marketed part of that film. Prior to that the films starring Cavill were going up in numbers.I have numbers on my side. All you have is anti-Superman bias.
No, I have declining numbers, lackluster numbers, and two icons not even smelling a billion culminating in the justice league failure. It does not take a genius to see why warner has changed their strategy.
Youve been called out on his first film numbers.
Did massively better than the previous Superman film which flopped. BvS was hated and added a new Batman but still did better numbers than MOS which itself did Massively better than Superman Returns.
The new Mission Impossible co-starring Cavill was the biggest grossing MI movie to date.
So nothing anywhere shows Cavill and Superman are not bankable. Nothing except the bias in your head.
Originally posted by Darth ThorMassively better but not good enough. It also did not keep getting better. It stunk but Batman is the bigger draw and still did not crack a billion. Your point is he has not been in demand for even longer since the previous film flopped too.
Youve been called out on his first film numbers.Did massively better than the previous Superman film which flopped. BvS was hated and added a new Batman but still did better numbers than MOS which itself did Massively better than Superman Returns.
The new Mission Impossible co-starring Cavill was the biggest grossing MI movie to date.
So nothing anywhere shows Cavill and Superman are not bankable. Nothing except the bias in your head.
So? We are not talking Cavill but cavills Superman. If this was the case then Warner would have no choice but the guy is not A list and the dc films with him as Superman are far more relevant to tugs discussion that Cruise Mi. Warner agrees with me. Dceu has a better chance to succeed exploring newer characters than going back to this dry well. Cavill is not an A lister, sport.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Massively better but not good enough. It also did not keep getting better. It stunk but Batman is the bigger draw and still did not crack a billion. Your point is he has not been in demand for even longer since the previous film flopped too.
Not good enough by whose standards? It clearly was good enough when they greenlit the rest of the DCEU after that Lol
Its only now after JL flopped that they do not know what to do.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So? We are not talking Cavill but cavills Superman. If this was the case then Warner would have no choice but the guy is not A list and the dc films with him as Superman are far more relevant to tugs discussion that Cruise Mi. Warner agrees with me. Dceu has a better chance to succeed exploring newer characters than going back to this dry well. Cavill is not an A lister, sport.
Its obviously both. There was no demand for Routh Superman whose film flopped.
Clearly he is bigger than you think when his MI is the biggest grossing MI to date. That film was marketed around Cruise and Cavill getting in a punch up.
Not surprising WB agrees with you given they have been retards with most of their decisions regarding DC.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThey had a plan which failed despite Superman and Batman being the centerpieces of the universe. Warner changed course due to the reception of the sequel and when WW was a huge hit and positively received she became the center of the universe. Course correction. New leader new plan. Previous plan failed.
Not good enough by whose standards? It clearly was good enough when they greenlit the rest of the DCEU after that LolIts only now after JL flopped that they do not know what to do.
Its obviously both. There was no demand for Routh Superman whose film flopped.
Clearly he is bigger than you think when his MI is the biggest grossing MI to date. That film was marketed around Cruise and Cavill getting in a punch up.
Not surprising WB agrees with you given they have been retards with most of their decisions regarding DC.
Great that WW gets a sequel she is by far the best hero from the dceu.
No demand for any Superman hence why Cavill is doing the Witcher.
Nah, but those numbers were not huge box office to the degree they expect from the bigger comic franchises. That also has to do with cruise the star more than Cavill.
They tried and failed but it is ongoing. Superman had his chance. Aquaman looks really good and I look forward to WW 2.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe is not. Justice league was a flop. Undeniable. Even with Batman he did not even smell 1 billion let alone 2. This is why he is not mainstream. Even cap hit 1 billion. Times have changed wake up you idiot.
Lol no where did Cavill or Superman fail. I love your butthurt over Superman being the mainstream heavyweight.Hope you havent forgotten about our DCEU Superman vs MCU Baer Thanos BZ.
You will not follow through you never do.
No idea how reliable she is but Beyond The Trailer is reporting WW1984 has been moved because they are changing it up into a Flashpoint type story to reboot the DCEU:
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo one else is reporting on this. Grace Randolph spits out lots of bullshit and is known to click bait. On the other hand WB does not have a good track record with their DC films and there is a chance that the pushed it back to try and retool.
No idea how reliable she is but Beyond The Trailer is reporting WW1984 has been moved because they are changing it up into a Flashpoint type story to reboot the DCEU:
Originally posted by Darth Thor
No idea how reliable she is but Beyond The Trailer is reporting WW1984 has been moved because they are changing it up into a Flashpoint type story to reboot the DCEU:
I read that it was because they had to remove Wahlbergs Bionic Man from the next summer schedule, and that they didn't mind because WW was initially released during the summer anyway.