Darth Vader - Comic Book Thread

Originally posted by Galan007
Preview for issue #25:

Vader uses his TK to stop the ship, until its Destroyer-class Ion engines kicked in(the same engines used to propel Star Destroyers)... And even then he was still damaging its circuitry.

It's a good showing, but considering the events of this issue seem to take place immediately after the previous issue, I would imagine that Vader is still significantly weakened as a result of that planetary energy-draining blast he soaked(the artwork while he's using his TK seems to indicate that, imo)... If so, it makes the feat far more impressive.

Palpatine owns Vader with low-diff:

Vader was still using Kirak's saber hilt, so this 'lesson' would have taken place shortly after the events of RotS.

^ Low-diff ? That looked like a blitz !

He disarmed Vader in like 5 panels, so yeah.

But that was Vader not long after ROTS when he was still adapting to the armor, so not really surprising that Sidious was able to dominate him like that. This was Vader WAY before his prime.

Also like the explanation Sidious gives for sabers- they are just a symbol of power for a Sith. Their primary "weapon" is the dark side itself.

Oh I missed the 3 smaller panels. Still Sidious was clearly toying.

But yeah doesnt prove much being right after ROTS.

Yeah Vader got wrecked. Kinda disappointed as I was hoping for a closer fight, but it makes sense since this is Vader shortly after getting the suit.

Honestly that close after ROTS, he's probably not even Dooku level yet. It'd be a surprise if Vader didn't get wrecked.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Honestly that close after ROTS, he's probably not even Dooku level yet. It'd be a surprise if Vader didn't get wrecked.

Vader's armor was an absolute hindrance until he acclimated to it and fully embraced the dark side (this was established in Lords of the Sith novel). Point being, he was nowhere near his peak during this sparring match.

Obviously Sidious would still wreck Vader in an all out battle, like we've already seen in the comics. But I feel like peak Vader would be very close to (if not above) his level in pure sabers at least.

Impressive feat for Sid, but still, is this Vader even above the likes of Ventress or Grevious?

Hard to pin down what level Vader was operating at back then. As mentioned, Vader was still using Kirak's hilt, so I'd say his 'fight' with Palpatine took place a few weeks after RotS... So well before he was accustomed to the suit, well before he began fully embracing the dark side, well before he started hitting his 'prime', etc.

But given n00b-Vader's showing against Kirak(who was stated to be more powerful than any Jedi he'd ever faced, which would include Kenobi), I'd say he was still probably above Ventress-level, but below Dooku-level at the time. Prime Vader is obviously a MUCH different story, though.

Originally posted by Sheev
Vader just took a planet draining blast minutes before this happened. There's no way he ISN'T still weakened.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hard to pin down what level Vader was operating at back then. As mentioned, Vader was still using Kirak's hilt, so I'd say his 'fight' with Palpatine took place a few weeks after RotS... So well before he was accustomed to the suit, well before he began fully embracing the dark side, well before he started hitting his 'prime', etc.

But given n00b-Vader's showing against Kirak(who was stated to be more powerful than any Jedi he'd ever faced, which would include Kenobi), I'd say he was still probably above Ventress-level, but below Dooku-level at the time. Prime Vader is obviously a MUCH different story, though.

I mean, it's obviously the same character, but from an in-universe POV the showings took place like 20 years apart.

Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, it's obviously the same character, but from an in-universe POV the showings took place like 20 years apart.

Addtionally, the actual planet drainer, shown in the next comic was, besides being much bigger, draining the planet over a lengthy period of time.

So saying Vader tanked planetary level drain is just off by several orders of magnitude

Yeah tbh I noticed that too but since I haven’t read the whole comic I didn’t say anything

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Okay so I looked at the comic and the next one. Vader didn't tank a planetary drainer. He tanked which was the same ]kind[/I] of technolgy. The "extent" of the forcer drain with that gun was much much smaller.

Addtionally, the actual planet drainer, shown in the next comic was, besides being much bigger, draining the planet over a lengthy period of time.

So saying Vader tanked planetary level drain is just off by several orders of magnitude

With the added context established in the following issue, we now know that Vader did not soak a literal planet-draining blast. Thank God. He just soaked an energy-draining blast of unknown magnitude.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hard to pin down what level Vader was operating at back then. As mentioned, Vader was still using Kirak's hilt, so I'd say his 'fight' with Palpatine took place a few weeks after RotS... So well before he was accustomed to the suit, well before he began fully embracing the dark side, well before he started hitting his 'prime', etc.

But given n00b-Vader's showing against Kirak(who was stated to be more powerful than any Jedi he'd ever faced, which would include Kenobi), I'd say he was still probably above Ventress-level, but below Dooku-level at the time. Prime Vader is obviously a MUCH different story, though.

You're not wrong, as Kirak definitely seemed to be above Vader. Though it is worth mentioning that Vader's armor was heavily compromised during both of his fights with Kirak, and he also didn't have a proper lightsaber... So yeah, probably not the best way to gauge his level at the time.

Although, a fresh Vader did stomp GI with ease(along with a few other members of the Inquisitorius off-panel), almost immediately after his battle with Kirak. Perhaps that is a better way to try and gauge him?

Filoni did imply that the best Inquisitors are at least in Asajj's ballpark, so noob Vader curbing GI like he did is probably the better way to scale him.

But I agree that putting noob Vader somewhere between Asajj and Dooku (probably closer to the former then the latter) is logical, and would still account for a HUGE power gimp compared to where he was at during ROTS.

Between Ventress and Dooku, so like Maul level. Although tbf Maul is probably much closer to Dooku on the spectrum than Ventress.