Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor potentially getting his ass beaten by mooks or fodder like Corvus Glaive or Proxima Midnight instead of personally being beaten by Thanos himself is a point against, not in favor of him. Thanos personally beating him up is the most charitable interpretation for Thor, not for Thanos.The idea that Thor would be inhibited doesn't have much merit tbh. Thor's lightning largely manifested itself in being wreathed in lightning, amplifying his physical strikes, and a few projectile attacks. His only really big AOE lightning blast I recall is when he first awoke them against Hela.
The only argument that has merit IMHO is that Thanos could have used the power stone, but given how Thanos casually dominated the Hulk (who was a peer to Thor at that point in time) in hand to hand and casually no-sold Thor himself, any arguments for Thor are honestly flimsy.
Russo makes it clear.
“He’s not using it,” Russo said. “This is to show that Thanos, the Genghis Khan of the Marvel Universe, he’s unbeatable in 1-on-1 battle. He’s conquered thousands of worlds. He’s a much more polished fighter than the Hulk, and Thor, and Loki.”
Or maybe Thanos and the Black Order all teamed up against Thor. Why is that not a possible scenario?
Now, I'm not claiming that's what happened, I'm saying we have no idea what happened and thus is not a valid argument. We argue using onscreen feats, not offscreen assumptions.
Originally posted by FrothByteBased off the interview and how Thor fared with the weapon against Thanos how likely does that seem?
Or maybe Thanos and the Black Order all teamed up against Thor. Why is that not a possible scenario?Now, I'm not claiming that's what happened, I'm saying we have no idea what happened and thus is not a valid argument. We argue using onscreen feats, not offscreen assumptions.
On screen Thor did not budge Thanos. At least hulk did that. Period.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Nothing in the Russo's statements made it clear that Thanos, without the infinity stones, is capable of defeating Thor utilizing his full powers.
"Thanos, the Genghis Khan of the Marvel Universe, he’s unbeatable in 1-on-1 battle."
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It's hyperbole in the context of the entire MCU sure (Thanos wouldn't be able to just fistfight Dormammu and Surtur and beat them), but the Russos directly apply this statement to Thor, along with Hulk and Loki.
We see Thor attack Thanos, and we see Thanos tank a blow from him with barely any reaction and knock him aside.
Then during Rocket's conversation with Thor, Thor directly (albeit reluctantly) acknowledges that not only did Thanos fight him, but he beat him, just noting he's never fought him twice (referencing him taking Thanos on once he forges his new hammer). This conversation also indicates that Thanos is Thor's superior, at that point in time, in a fight.
He easily manhandles the Hulk, something Thor has never done. And he didn't need the power stone to do it.
What exactly do you think Thor's lightning can do to Thanos? The lightning armour is pretty much useless. It has thus far only taken down fodder like the zombiegardians, which were ripped to pieces by normal M4 (I think) fire. With lightning-amped punches how hard do you think he can hit Thanos? They sent the Hulk flying sure, but Hulk was able to do the same to Thor. As far as I'm concerned, unlocking his lightning powers made Thor once more a peer (actually a slight superior IMO but that's neither here nor there) to Hulk as a combatant, but no more.
I really can't see any argument for Thor here.
Originally posted by Adam GrimesI'd give Thor the edge but given that the fight between SSJ Thor and Hulk lasted long enough for a single punch yeah. It enabled him to batter Hulk around with punches the way Hulk can him, and combined with his superior speed and skill he should be able to take Hulk down, though it would take a while due to Hulk's endurance.
Watching SSJ Thor vs Hulk, would you say they were portrayed as peers?
Originally posted by FrothByteOne wonders what the entire Asgardian race plus Korg and Miek plus Loki plus Valkyrie plus Heimdall were doing while they were all hypothetically dogpiling Thor.
Or maybe Thanos and the Black Order all teamed up against Thor. Why is that not a possible scenario?Now, I'm not claiming that's what happened, I'm saying we have no idea what happened and thus is not a valid argument. We argue using onscreen feats, not offscreen assumptions.
Given that, per Thor's own concession, he's fought Thanos and lost, your argument isn't looking that great.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based off the interview and how Thor fared with the weapon against Thanos how likely does that seem?On screen Thor did not budge Thanos. At least hulk did that. Period.
Where in the interview did they say than an unarmed Thanos was capable of defeating a fully powered Thor going all out?
Originally posted by FrothByte“He’s not using it,” Russo said. “This is to show that Thanos, the Genghis Khan of the Marvel Universe, he’s unbeatable in 1-on-1 battle. He’s conquered thousands of worlds. He’s a much more polished fighter than the Hulk, and Thor, and Loki.”
Where in the interview did they say than an unarmed Thanos was capable of defeating a fully powered Thor going all out?
Originally posted by NemeBro
One wonders what the entire Asgardian race plus Korg and Miek plus Loki plus Valkyrie plus Heimdall were doing while they were all hypothetically dogpiling Thor.Given that, per Thor's own concession, he's fought Thanos and lost, your argument isn't looking that great.
You mean the bunch of unarmed Asgardian civilian refugees that Valkyrie, Korg and Miek assisted in leaving the ship?
From what we can tell of the scene, only Thor and Heimdall seemed to be part of the initial fight. Hulk and Loki didn't even seem to take part till we saw them.
Originally posted by NemeBro
“[b]He’s not using it,” Russo said. “This is to show that Thanos, the Genghis Khan of the Marvel Universe, he’s unbeatable in 1-on-1 battle. He’s conquered thousands of worlds. He’s a much more polished fighter than the Hulk, and Thor, and Loki.” [/B]
That was in response to Thanos fighting Hulk, not him fighting Thor. Again, where in the interview did they say that an unarmed Thanos defeated a fully powered Thor?
Originally posted by FrothByteSee what I mean you are not reasonable at all and attempt to change the goalposts. Thor would not go all out with the rest of Asgard, his step brother, and best friends lives on the line? You say screen feats only and ignore Thors pathetic cheapshot attack on Thanos. He did not even budge him. You abandon your distance argument when hulk moves him farther showing a real bias here for Thor.
Where in the interview did they say than an unarmed Thanos was capable of defeating a fully powered Thor going all out?
They say he is unbeatable in one on one and reference Thor. Why should they continue on when the point is clearly made.
Originally posted by FrothByteThor called a rematch with Thanos suicide without the axe. What does that tell you? What message was he trying to convey? This is from a braggart to boot.
That was in response to Thanos fighting Hulk, not him fighting Thor. Again, where in the interview did they say that an unarmed Thanos defeated a fully powered Thor?
Originally posted by FrothByteIt is reasonable to assume that Loki and Hulk didn't take part, but given all the dead Asgardians they obviously saw combat. And as for the evacuation, they would have evacuated them by... holding off Thanos' forces who were busy killing the Asgardians. Aka fighting them.
You mean the bunch of unarmed Asgardian civilian refugees that Valkyrie, Korg and Miek assisted in leaving the ship?From what we can tell of the scene, only Thor and Heimdall seemed to be part of the initial fight. Hulk and Loki didn't even seem to take part till we saw them.
So Thor couldn't have fought the entire army itself.
But this is all beside the point. Per Thor's acknowledging Rocket's words he lost to Thanos, per Russos Thanos is invincible 1v1, and even by feats Thanos wins. 👆