Originally posted by LordofBrooklynFor you LoB, everything.
Give us your rankings.
Hawkman [hits it with his mace]
- not sure, which is why I included him in the thread. As I've said before, he's all over the place, and he can go from his blows being felt by Magog [trans-tier]:
https://imgur.com/a/rOZXJKE
https://imgur.com/a/hLwkUYi
https://imgur.com/a/1YLY72n
and Despero [also trans tier]:
https://imgur.com/a/HfghmYe
to the mace getting crushed, but at the same time, going into something resembling a punch-out [that he's clearly lost] to Black Adam:
https://imgur.com/a/y58a6G2
https://imgur.com/a/RAWl8mG
https://imgur.com/a/1Csikf3
..to lesser stuff.
Maybe the 'badass mace' in the writers' mind makes it seem like he strikes harder than he actually does. Maybe it's Geoff Johns giving characters their 'hero moment' which he really likes to do, regardless of power level -- and all 3 of the showings above were under him. I dunno.
Taking everything into account, I'd say it's around 80-85, but it mostly scales up to the opponent, so he can skyrocket from that.
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Aquaman
I'd peg him around the same as Namor.
He can go into punch-outs with Wonder Woman [who I see Thor-ish], can go up against Hercules etc.
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The Thing
75
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Ares
80-85
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Hercules
120
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Colossus
75
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Juggernaut
One I keep changing my mind on. Perhaps generous, but I'd say he's 130 in the current moment. I thought he looked visibly stronger than Thor in the latest comic, but that's muddied a bit by being in a specific place where he is stronger. At the same time, he does say that he's stronger than ever. I also think that Juggernaut's showing against WWH is not something Thor can replicate - and around that period, Thor was basically Hulk's plaything [not that it ever stopped]
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Iron Man
75
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Apocalypse
I really can't peg him. Another one I was curious to see how people see him.
I think his showing against 'young' Thor was easily his highest strength stuff ever. Even against the Hulk, it was not really a matter of pure strength [choking him from behind], while here it was clear he was physically superior.
He did seem to be unwilling to fight Namor undersea, though..
https://imgur.com/a/KWTcNnJ
https://imgur.com/a/rHihbAb
https://imgur.com/a/2Se8wUe
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Black Bolt - 95-100ish? He has some good showings against the likes of Gladiator, being called a close second to Hulk etc. But then again, he's also had some shitty stuff.
The two times Apoc hit Kluh he stopped appearing for a few pages afterwards. 2nd time he just didn't appear again and his limp body was shown ragdolling through the air after the punch.
srug
This is the Thors fight I'm talking about btw
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Generations-The-Unworthy-Thor-The-Mighty-Thor/Full?id=119977
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And that's Aaron Jane, no less.
I only remember when Apoc punched Kluh at the end, there, last issue of A/X Axis. Either way, I think the Thor showings are much more conclusive.
Can't wait for Magneto to beat him again.
True, just throwing out decent feats. Guy really hasn't had too many fights, let alone non weakened ones.
Speaking of that, X-Men Black is probably the only series I'm really looking forward to.
https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/07/22/x-men-black-marvel-sdcc/
In a sea of shit hopefully this turns out good and switches things around. Might even buy it if it isn't crap. Mind you they pretty much confirmed Juggernaut gets his shit pushed in... which isn't what he needs to say the least. 😂
I hope Cullen Bunn gets to finish his Magneto story satisfyingly. It seems like he got interrupted mid-way through his X-Men Blue run.
Claremont Magneto is always good. Maybe that's where he gets back his mojo.
I will follow it, thanks. Interesting to see what they do with Apoc.
I got curious about the Juggernaut stuff, and I googled it, and found an interview where it seems what stops him is some internal struggle. Maybe he realizes he loves Iceman ever since he first threw that first snowball at him.
For you LoB, everything.Hawkman [hits it with his mace]
- not sure, which is why I included him in the thread. As I've said before, he's all over the place, and he can go from his blows being felt by Magog [trans-tier]:
https://imgur.com/a/rOZXJKE
https://imgur.com/a/hLwkUYi
https://imgur.com/a/1YLY72nand Despero [also trans tier]:
https://imgur.com/a/HfghmYeto the mace getting crushed, but at the same time, going into something resembling a punch-out [that he's clearly lost] to Black Adam:
https://imgur.com/a/y58a6G2
https://imgur.com/a/RAWl8mG
https://imgur.com/a/1Csikf3..to lesser stuff.
Maybe the 'badass mace' in the writers' mind makes it seem like he strikes harder than he actually does. Maybe it's Geoff Johns giving characters their 'hero moment' which he really likes to do, regardless of power level -- and all 3 of the showings above were under him. I dunno.
The most being crushed by BA doesn't really come into it's striking power it doesn't strike better because it's hard but because of the effect it has against gravity and electromagnetic force.
The blow is gives are strengthened by the way the metal interacts with those forces. I wouldn't expect nth to be any more durable than a normal metal and therefore just as easily crushed by someone on BAs level.
Most of the fight with Black Adam was actually Hawkman without the Mace, with the Mace was the only time he was actually doing any damage ( and that was really only the first page). The only reason he could continue the fight with BA for as long as he did was because of the healing factor that Nth metal in his wings and belt gives him.
Essentially what I'm saying is the fight with BA doesn't really give you much of an example of the striking power of the mace as it doesn't really come into play at all. when he used the mace against BA he was actually knocked him flying then BA grabs the mace and crushes it. Mace no longer in the picture.
Yes, but it's mostly displayed as a bludgeoning tool that doesn't break upon impact.
Black Adam squeezing it into pieces is a rather contrasting showing with it not shattering against Despero or Magog.
There's a 'special metal that manipulates other stuff' component, too, but it's not like it hovers around Despero's face manipulating the gravity within his cheeks. The actual impact is still there.
I used those scans to show the contrast between showings, while also showing Hawkman's physical ability somewhat.
Cant deny that^^
But then again the mace is only supposed to be laced with 5% or so of Nth (cant recall exactly where I saw that exact figure mentioned but I have). So maybe the 5% holds it together on impact (strings of nth ringing the edge every so often) and mabye when BA crushed it he put pressure onnthe normal metal.
Given he has actual knowledge about Nth metal having been around with Kophu (spelling hm first name?) He may have been aware of how to but its just speculation on my part
One I keep changing my mind on. Perhaps generous, but I'd say he's 130 in the current moment. I thought he looked visibly stronger than Thor in the latest comic, but that's muddied a bit by being in a specific place where he is stronger. At the same time, he does say that he's stronger than ever. I also think that Juggernaut's showing against WWH is not something Thor can replicate - and around that period, Thor was basically Hulk's plaything [not that it ever stopped]
i've not read that most recent encounter, so it's possible he has been made even stronger than he was which would of course alter my numbers. i still think thor was stronger than the classic version though obviously the degrees of difference are effectively negligible. i'd think thor COULD do what juggs did with wwh, but i'm not sure juggs would replicate thor vs nul (flash ko into orbit, carver's fave 👆 ). juggs often looks uber strong because he tanks so much sh!t, but a lot of that has to be a function of his invulnerability.
i agree he's not easy to place because we need to base his level on fights as opposed to direct feats, but his fights are coloured by his invulnerability. we've seen thor fight him without a hammer and no shield and thor looked the better. thor without a hammer vs hulk didn't go so well, and herc has also had thor beat when he didn't have the hammer.
lots of dot connecting to say they are all very close.
apoc is another one. maybe he showings come when he's been weakened, but weeding out the ones where he was supposed to be at full power aren't easy so maybe the less-than-full showings affect his ranking imo.
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The relevant parts:
https://imgur.com/a/jMmEcaE
https://imgur.com/a/yf5r8XB
https://imgur.com/a/3cqF0Is
https://imgur.com/a/eBo0WST
https://imgur.com/a/McwcXKd
https://imgur.com/a/txgoea1
Juggs is reborn [stronger than ever] and also in a place where he is even stronger, so take that as it may, but I don't dismiss it completely, and I think Cain would be the stronger of the two. I don't think Juggernaut's hits are harder than Thor's Mjolnir strikes [i.e. against Nul], though, but in terms of barehanded strength, I'd have him favorite at the moment.
I guess with Apoc, we'll see how things progress but current portrayals, I think he's shown to be arguably the strongest in this thread, or perhaps on par with Juggs.
Originally posted by Philosophía
For you LoB, everything.Hawkman [hits it with his mace]
- not sure, which is why I included him in the thread. As I've said before, he's all over the place, and he can go from his blows being felt by Magog [trans-tier]:
https://imgur.com/a/rOZXJKE
https://imgur.com/a/hLwkUYi
https://imgur.com/a/1YLY72nand Despero [also trans tier]:
https://imgur.com/a/HfghmYeto the mace getting crushed, but at the same time, going into something resembling a punch-out [that he's clearly lost] to Black Adam:
https://imgur.com/a/y58a6G2
https://imgur.com/a/RAWl8mG
https://imgur.com/a/1Csikf3..to lesser stuff.
Maybe the 'badass mace' in the writers' mind makes it seem like he strikes harder than he actually does. Maybe it's Geoff Johns giving characters their 'hero moment' which he really likes to do, regardless of power level -- and all 3 of the showings above were under him. I dunno.Taking everything into account, I'd say it's around 80-85, but it mostly scales up to the opponent, so he can skyrocket from that.
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Aquaman
I'd peg him around the same as Namor.He can go into punch-outs with Wonder Woman [who I see Thor-ish], can go up against Hercules etc.
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The Thing
75
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Ares
80-85
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Hercules
120
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Colossus
75
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Juggernaut
One I keep changing my mind on. Perhaps generous, but I'd say he's 130 in the current moment. I thought he looked visibly stronger than Thor in the latest comic, but that's muddied a bit by being in a specific place where he is stronger. At the same time, he does say that he's stronger than ever. I also think that Juggernaut's showing against WWH is not something Thor can replicate - and around that period, Thor was basically Hulk's plaything [not that it ever stopped]
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Iron Man
75
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Apocalypse
I really can't peg him. Another one I was curious to see how people see him.I think his showing against 'young' Thor was easily his highest strength stuff ever. Even against the Hulk, it was not really a matter of pure strength [choking him from behind], while here it was clear he was physically superior.
He did seem to be unwilling to fight Namor undersea, though..
https://imgur.com/a/KWTcNnJ
https://imgur.com/a/rHihbAb
https://imgur.com/a/2Se8wUe---
Black Bolt - 95-100ish? He has some good showings against the likes of Gladiator, being called a close second to Hulk etc. But then again, he's also had some shitty stuff.
About the Apoc part. You'll love this feat.
Look what Magneto can do to the table:
