Ares/Steppenwolf vs. MCU Hela/Kurse

Originally posted by Silent Master
She did actually, so thank you for proving that you haven't actually seen the movie.

Originally posted by tkitna
Says the guy that is convinced that Hela needs water to use her TK to its fullest extent although she never made anything from the water. *facepalm* Maybe you should start using some ABC logic.

Also, you are so dead set on the fact that Hela is supposedly supposed to be in some weak state outside of Asgard that your playing it as your trump card. Sad.

The movie states that she is stronger in Asgard. Thus, she is weaker outside of Asgard.

Well you must prove that she can. Speculation isn't proof. Logically, Hela can only do that through water (in Asgard) as she wouldn't have even used water to achieve the feat.

Originally posted by Nevan
She wasn't on Asgard when she did that.

[B]It was in the movie.

Why would she need to when she was manhandling her enemies just fine, she didn't even need her blades to completely overpower pre god mode Thor.

Are you saying she can't do it? [/B]

Prove that she covered the entire sky with blades in the movie.

BTW Hela does tank lightning outside of Asgard.

YouTube video

The fact the H1 is unaware of Hela's fight with the Valkyries proves he has never seen the movie.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact the H1 is unaware of Hela's fight with the Valkyries proves he has never seen the movie.

You're going to ruin his day. H1's entire argument is based off of Hela being supposedly so much weaker away from Asgard and needing water to effectively use her TK.

😆 Good lord. What must go through his head sometimes.

Originally posted by tkitna
You're going to ruin his day. H1's entire argument is based off of Hela being supposedly so much weaker away from Asgard and needing water to effectively use her TK.

😆 Good lord. What must go through his head sometimes.

We don't know how much weaker. I been saying that all the time.
And she certainly needs a body of water to pull off those other feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact the H1 is unaware of Hela's fight with the Valkyries proves he has never seen the movie.

So you can't prove it. It didn't happen.

Originally posted by Nevan
BTW Hela does tank lightning outside of Asgard.

YouTube video

That's not a lightning strike but electrical discharge that was in Mjolnir.
But the showing does give her some level of resistance to lightning.

Originally posted by h1a8

The movie states that she is stronger in Asgard. Thus, she is weaker outside of Asgard.

Well you must prove that she can. Speculation isn't proof. Logically, Hela can only do that through water (in Asgard) as she wouldn't have even used water to achieve the feat.

Again you are trying to claim she has a different powerset on and off Asgard.

Why would she when Thor has the same power set on and off Asgard.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again you are trying to claim she has a different powerset on and off Asgard.

Why would she when Thor has the same power set on and off Asgard.

She's weaker, not necessarily a different power set. We have no idea how weaker is her healing, etc. Still ignoring the stalemate argument too.

If she's not weaker then it goes against the movie.
The movie >>>>>>you.

Originally posted by h1a8

And she certainly needs a body of water to pull off those other feats.

This is why we all laugh at you. Why are you convinced that she needs water for that feat? Was it because she fell into water? If she actually affected or created something out of water, I could see your point, but she didn't. She just raised the ground from beneath the water.

Originally posted by h1a8
She's weaker, not necessarily a different power set. We have no idea how weaker is her healing, etc. Still ignoring the stalemate argument too.

If she's not weaker then it goes against the movie.
The movie >>>>>>you.

Again, your convinced she's weaker away from Asgard because Odin said she draws strength from Asgard, but that's not ever proven. If Asgard exists, cant she draw strength from it regardless of where she goes? She sure looked the same when she was destroying the Valkeries and tanking Thor. You refuse to acknowledge any context at all. Everything is literal to you and that's why we have to explain (like she had a feat when thrown into water so you think she needs water to perform feats of that scale when the water had nothing to do with it) Its you against an entire group of people, but your sitting there thinking your the only one right and everybody else must be wrong. It may never sink in with you.

I like how H1 is now claiming the movie did not show part of Hela's fight with the Valkyries. He just proved to the entire board that he's never actually seen the movie.
https://youtu.be/CMRTCCVoZvg

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how H1 is now claiming the movie did not show part of Hela's fight with the Valkyries. He just proved to the entire board that he's never actually seen the movie.
https://youtu.be/CMRTCCVoZvg

Well in his defense, Odin claimed she would have limitless power on Asgard, but yet got the snot knocked out of her by Surtur. Always believe the claims though.

Originally posted by h1a8
She's weaker, not necessarily a different power set. We have no idea how weaker is her healing, etc. Still ignoring the stalemate argument too.

If she's not weaker then it goes against the movie.
The movie >>>>>>you.

Yes but you are changing weaker to less powers.

Thor proves thats not true.

Also stop making out she is weak outside of Asgard. She crushed Mjolnir and was well above anything Thor and Loki has ever encountered.

H1 is clearly trolling.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
H1 is clearly trolling.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes but you are changing weaker to less powers.

Thor proves thats not true.

Also stop making out she is weak outside of Asgard. She crushed Mjolnir and was well above anything Thor and Loki has ever encountered.

We don't know how much weaker. But that's irrelevant since I stated Ares wins or it is a stalemate.

Crushing Mjolnir has no bearing on being weaker outside of Asgard.

Originally posted by tkitna
Again, your convinced she's weaker away from Asgard because Odin said she draws strength from Asgard, but that's not ever proven. If Asgard exists, cant she draw strength from it regardless of where she goes? She sure looked the same when she was destroying the Valkeries and tanking Thor. You refuse to acknowledge any context at all. Everything is literal to you and that's why we have to explain (like she had a feat when thrown into water so you think she needs water to perform feats of that scale when the water had nothing to do with it) Its you against an entire group of people, but your sitting there thinking your the only one right and everybody else must be wrong. It may never sink in with you.

Hela is weaker outside of Asgard because it was said twice by two different characters. That’s what the writers want us to know. How much weaker? We don't know. And you still forgetting stalemate. Why?

She created the structure out of the water. In all other scenes, she just threw blades and sword fighting.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how H1 is now claiming the movie did not show part of Hela's fight with the Valkyries. He just proved to the entire board that he's never actually seen the movie.
https://youtu.be/CMRTCCVoZvg

I already knew of that part. So that scene doesn't show it. Therefore it never happened.

Ill simplify my stance. I believe that Ares can take her down with enough lightning strikes or using Helas blades against her.

If I'm wrong then Ares, at least, gets a stalemate due to his ability to fly, teleport, control metal, control wind, disintegrate metal with a touch, etc.

You didn't know of that part and it does show Hela throwing dozens of swords, stop lying.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You didn't know of that part and it does show Hela throwing dozens of swords, stop lying.

1. Hela throwing dozens of swords wasn't the claim.
2. I knew of the part Nevan was referring to. But his statement describing the flashback was false.

If you knew of the scene you would have explained why you believe Nevan description was wrong, instead of claiming it didn't exist. Fact is, you didn't know of the scene and are now trying to weasel out of it.

Ares wins. He uses Hela's blades against her and Kurse.