Ares/Steppenwolf vs. MCU Hela/Kurse

Originally posted by h1a8
She couldn't take lightning without being affected in Asgard. She recovered.

She's weaker outside of Asgard. My stance is that we don't know the level of resistance she has and the level of recovery she has outside of Asgard. If she operates EXACTLY the same outside of Asgard then that contradicts her being weaker outside of Asgard and also having a power source (Asgard) to draw from.

Thors Lightning is also more powerful in Asgard. So the net effect is the same.

She is massively more powerful than Thor and can take everything he can dish out.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thors Lightning is also more powerful in Asgard. So the net effect is the same.

She is massively more powerful than Thor and can take everything he can dish out.

Thor's lightning is not necessarily more powerful in Asgard. His lightning in general could be more powerful after his discovery. Or he could have just blasted her with his strongest blast.

She can take it because she heals.
Outside of Asgard we can only speculate what she can take and how many times (if any) can she heal before running out of energy.

Interesting, H1 still hasn't posted any proof to back up his various claims.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Interesting, H1 still hasn't posted any proof to back up his various claims.

At the moment. I claim nothing but Ares wins or Stalemate.
If Ares can't win then he stalemates for the reasons I gave.

That is a lie, you have made multiple claims throughout this thread and provided zero proof for any of them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That is a lie, you have made multiple claims throughout this thread and provided zero proof for any of them.

At the moment means currently (not in the past). My claim is Ares wins or it is a stalemate. Simple.
If you believe Marvel team wins then you have to rebut my argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's lightning is not necessarily more powerful in Asgard. His lightning in general could be more powerful after his discovery. Or he could have just blasted her with his strongest blast.

She can take it because she heals.
Outside of Asgard we can only speculate what she can take and how many times (if any) can she heal before running out of energy.

You dont seem to be listening. Like at all.

You are claiming she heals in Asgard but not outside of Asgard.

Ergo you are arguing she has a different powerset outside of Asgard.

I am asking you why anyone should think that, when Thor has the exact same powers inside and outside of Asgard. So why would anyone think Hela will suddenly have a different powerset?

Except of course to make an argument for your extreme DC bias.

You are also picking and choosing which of Thors powers do not amplify on Asgard, and which of Helas powers are completely not relevant outside of Asgard.

Basically you are not debating with any kind of evidence, consistency or logic.

You are just making up whatever you wish to be true.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Basically you are not debating with any kind of evidence, consistency or logic.

You are just making up whatever you wish to be true.

Happens all the time. I don't know why anybody bothers with him to be honest.

Originally posted by h1a8
At the moment means currently (not in the past). My claim is Ares wins or it is a stalemate. Simple.
If you believe Marvel team wins then you have to rebut my argument.

Ah, so you have officially retracted all of your previously stated claims. Good.

Now, back up your claim that it's impossible for a Hela to win.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You dont seem to be listening. Like at all.

You are claiming she heals in Asgard but not outside of Asgard.

Ergo you are arguing she has a different powerset outside of Asgard.

I am asking you why anyone should think that, when Thor has the exact same powers inside and outside of Asgard. So why would anyone think Hela will suddenly have a different powerset?

Except of course to make an argument for your extreme DC bias.

You are also picking and choosing which of Thors powers do not amplify on Asgard, and which of Helas powers are completely not relevant outside of Asgard.

Basically you are not debating with any kind of evidence, consistency or logic.

You are just making up whatever you wish to be true.

I'm not claiming anything, except that she is Weaker. This gives possibilities.
I gave an OR Statement.
Ares wins or Stalemate.
Its a stalemate if she retains her healing ability throughout the fight to the degree where she heals faster than being damaged.

Ares only wins if
1. she doesn't have a healing ability
Or
2. Her healing rate is lower than the rate Ares can damage her
Or
3. Her healing ability runs out

Originally posted by tkitna
Happens all the time. I don't know why anybody bothers with him to be honest.

Why would anyone bother with you? You are incredibly stupid. That's a fact.

You claimed it was impossible for Hela to win, prove it.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not claiming anything, except that she is Weaker. This gives possibilities.
I gave an OR Statement.
Ares wins or Stalemate.
Its a stalemate if she retains her healing ability throughout the fight to the degree where she heals faster than being damaged.

Ares only wins if
1. she doesn't have a healing ability
Or
2. Her healing rate is lower than the rate Ares can damage her
Or
3. Her healing ability runs out

Given how much more powerful than Thor she was Crushing Mjolnir OFF Asgard, id say her durability would stack up just fine, and Ares stalemating her seems Highly Unlikely. Actually its not even possible.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why would anyone bother with you? You are incredibly stupid. That's a fact.

The only stupid thing I've done lately is taking you off ignore.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You claimed it was impossible for Hela to win, prove it.

Hela can only throw blades at him.
Ares can fly and maneuver (she can't fly at all).
He can can control metal.
He can control wind.
He can teleport.
He can disintegrate shit with a touch.

Originally posted by tkitna
The only stupid thing I've done lately is taking you off ignore.

I agree. I Don't like addressing dumb posters. You would be doing me a big favor. Next time debate instead of trolling. Rebut or attack the actual argument instead of attacking the character. Isn't that a logical fallacy (ad hominim or something)?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Given how much more powerful than Thor she was Crushing Mjolnir OFF Asgard, id say her durability would stack up just fine, and Ares stalemating her seems Highly Unlikely. Actually its not even possible.

Her crushing Mjolnir has no bearing on her durability as we see she is affected by certain attacks while on Asgard.
Ares can easily stalemate her if her healing factor remains on indefinitely. How would she even tag him?
He can fly and maneuver (she can't).
He can control metal.
He can control wind.
He can teleport.

Also you have to prove that she has infinite energy for healing outside of Asgard (since she can't draw from Asgard anymore). Just like you and Silent asked me to prove that Ares can continue to zap her with lightning.

Originally posted by h1a8
Where did I say that Hela has a different power set outside of Asgard? And she has nothing to do with Thor. Hela gets more powerful while being in Asgard, Thor doesn't.

Good ole Silent. Troll troll troll. Ignore a person's statements and repeat the same statements. Anyone can do that. That isn't debating. You didn't rebut anything. You are just trolling.

WW has the speed and She sees bullets in slow motion.
Forum characters always fight at full capacity (to the best of their ability).
WW beat Ares through a plot device that Hela, Steppenwolf, etc don't have.

Wasn't Thor blocking Destroyer blasts in Thor 1? I am pretty sure that a Laser/Blaster type attack is faster than a bullet.

Just because a character isn't portrayed in slow motion doesn't mean it isn't superfast.

I see Hela impaling Ares. There is no evidence to suggest he is neigh invulnerable.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Wasn't Thor blocking Destroyer blasts in Thor 1? I am pretty sure that a Laser/Blaster type attack is faster than a bullet.

Just because a character isn't portrayed in slow motion doesn't mean it isn't superfast.

I see Hela impaling Ares. There is no evidence to suggest he is neigh invulnerable.

So you didn't read my post involving why Hela can't tag Ares?

A blaster type of attack isn't necessarily faster than a bullet. We don't know the mechanics of the attack. Silent Master and several others here saythat visual speed is true speed.

Listing his power set isn't proof that he can't be beaten. All you're doing is proving that you're massively biased.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you didn't read my post involving why Hela can't tag Ares?

A blaster type of attack isn't necessarily faster than a bullet. We don't know the mechanics of the attack. Silent Master and several others here saythat visual speed is true speed.

No i havent. Please quote it.

Hela outspeed Thor who in turn blocks blasters. Thats evidence enough to prove that Hela wont have a problem agaisnt WW.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No i havent. Please quote it.

Hela outspeed Thor who in turn blocks blasters. Thats evidence enough to prove that Hela wont have a problem agaisnt WW.

Those blasters didn't appear to be fast at all. You have to prove that they are a lot faster than a human can perceive. And it's stupid to equate a character's highest showing with any other showing. For example, any character that avoids an attack from Thor is proven to be faster than bullet?

I can the same stupid argument for WW. WW sees bullets in slow motion and can outspeed a hail of bullets yet Ares was able to block and deflect her attacks multiple times.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Listing his power set isn't proof that he can't be beaten. All you're doing is proving that you're massively biased.

Characters fight to the best of their abilities.
You are basically implying that Ares wont use his abilities to avoid getting hit.