Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Btw, just to clear some misconceptions up (this is to spetsnaz):Some posters said that Rulk starts off at a disadvantage, but then ramps up.
Not true. The madder Rulk gets, the hotter he gets. Not the stronger.
With that out of the way...
Here is Punisher, a human, stabbing Rulk:
Supergirl stomps here.
You can also add those to the list:
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[*] Tigra
[*] Hellcat
[*] random Nosferatus[/list]
And more, it happened many times. Honestly, I was surprised he was bulletproof.
Harpy Robots cut him up too, but they had adamantium talons.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
In addition to Conor being weak as ****. There's videos of him "working out" with around 105 pound squats, and I'm trying to find the weight of the bench where he's flailing to get it up. I'd be surprised if he could bench 200 for 1.Khabib is also pretty weak though too, but not Conor weak. He benches 235 for 2.
Either way, he lifts more weight than Conor in addition to decades of wrestling. He is a lot stronger.
Originally posted by Galan007
Khabib is what? ~150lbs? If he's getting 2 reps at 235 that's decent for his size, and helps explain why he can overpower everyone in his weight class on the ground.
When you see how flawless his mat returns are...instantly breaking down stand up attempts with that S-grip and forcing his opponents to post. When they fight that, he's like "Cool, time to go to inside wrist control while I punch your face in." When they try and base again, slaps the attempt away, often getting into sidecontrol. He's so good at crushing your escape attempts first, then bashing you once you're in a spot where you can't do shit or just discouraged. He rarely loses control from top because of that.
Even Ben Askren fangirls over Khabib's wrestling technique.
A better example of strength/power moves, are prime Rampage's slams. Powerbomb KO'ing Arona like he did is just freak strength.
Show me the squat video. Also around 170 pounds in squat also isn't very good either.
Wait a minute though, here he is struggling with 135 pounds. Notice his closed eyes thankful he gets it up. A squat video is also there. 3 mins for bench.
The guy in the video is wrong naturally. Blue bumper plates especially American ones are in pounds not kilograms. 20 kg for British or 45 pounds for American ones. Also lol at the UFC putting lines in there to look like more weight. You can see the split here:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2ckhadEY-lA/hqdefault.jpg
That would mean that UFC has the smallest 50 kg bumper plates in the world in the red ones, if he were correct about them being in kg.
And yes, I realize Connor is more of an endurance trainer, but you don't train for endurance that wildly below your max, nor do you struggle with it either with terrible technique. The only other bench video I could find was him flailing where they cut off the weight. Them cutting off the weight leads me to believe it was a terrible amount. 6 minute flail
Conor does a lot of calisthetics without weight though. There's really not much room to improve there once he gets to a certain point.
And yes, no one is saying Khabib is all strength. What I'm saying is that he is still wildly above Conor in strength, in addition to his technique. So using him as a comparison for two "equal strength" individuals doesn't work out the best.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Show me the squat video. Also around 170 pounds in squat also isn't very good either.Wait a minute though, here he is struggling with 135 pounds. Notice his closed eyes thankful he gets it up. A squat video is also there. 3 mins for bench.
The guy in the video is wrong naturally. Blue bumper plates especially American ones are in pounds not kilograms. 20 kg for British or 45 pounds for American ones. Also lol at the UFC putting lines in there to look like more weight. You can see the split here:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2ckhadEY-lA/hqdefault.jpgThat would mean that UFC has the smallest 50 kg bumper plates in the world in the red ones, if he were correct about them being in kg.
And yes, I realize Connor is more of an endurance trainer, but you don't train for endurance that wildly below your max, nor do you struggle with it either with terrible technique. The only other bench video I could find was him flailing where they cut off the weight. Them cutting off the weight leads me to believe it was a terrible amount. 6 minute flail
Conor does a lot of calisthetics without weight though. There's really not much room to improve there once he gets to a certain point.
And yes, no one is saying Khabib is all strength. What I'm saying is that he is still wildly above Conor in strength, in addition to his technique. So using him as a comparison for two "equal strength" individuals doesn't work out the best.
Right, I'm not saying squatting 170lbs is strong for his size. I'm saying that, clearly, he's not posting videos of him maxing out on weight. You implied 105 might be a problem for him, but he clearly can do more even if he works out with way less. These "workout" sessions are largely publicity stunts, and while some athletes will throw some impressive displays out there, it's not a given. Was Conor cutting weight during this? Had he sparred before hand? Worked out? Trying not to do anything rough before some other gig?
It's just a lot of speculation on the viewer's end to call him weak after seeing that. We don't even know what exactly his routine is, and Conor is known for doing eccentric shit, like using Ido Portal at all. Maybe he does train with ultra low weight for endurance.
He wouldn't have had any success at all defensively in the 1st round if he were really that weak. Khabib could've just blast doubled him and put him in a crucifix. The strength gap you're suggesting here is pretty exceptional.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
And yes, no one is saying Khabib is all strength. best.
It's not like Demian Maia, where he just goes for the single leg over and over again while Woodley punches him in the mouth after down blocking it.
Just what I thought. Struggling with the weight of a man.
And no, I didn't say 105 would be close to his max or struggling, I said he was "working out" with it. Indicating he felt he was getting enough benefit out of 105 pounds to do so.
And no, that was seemingly within a week of July 16th. Conor's fight was on Aug 26th. The link to the video is in the description, and here is the video the bench press is from (Seery's last fight in the UFC was on July 16th, not the date the video was uploaded):
YouTube video
So around July 23rd, but definitely before Aug 8th, and it was his first time at the UFC Performance Institute for that camp, so his weight cutting wouldn't had anything to do with it, nor did he appear to be doing anything that would make him struggle for bench. Conor is just weak.
That's where his technique comes into play. You said it yourself that Khabib is all technique, now why wouldn't takedown defense be the same? He wasn't just pushing Khabib away, he was using leverage and getting underhooks as well as positions to help avoid it. Also Khabib was mostly just trying to wear him out that first round.
Bob Sapp is one of the strongest guys in MMA and his takedown defense sucks. Technique is vastly more important. Khabib is still way stronger than Conor though. The absence of evidence doesn't prove he move anywhere near the weight Khabib can, nor does his struggling help.
Roddy also was only showing the "highlights" of his training. If Conor was throwing around bigger weight or benching 135 pounds easier you'd think he would have posted it. I don't know if I have to watch more vlogs to find it, but I doubt I will. Like I said, I doubt Conor could bench 200 and I've seen nothing to doubt that. Same with squatting for that matter. Doubt the guy could squat 225 and that's pretty damned low... bar, which is what he'd have to do to get one rep and destroy his form.
Originally posted by Putinbot1Pretty much.
Mcgregor is a small man. He hits hard for a small man, but that is more to do with technique, timing and accuracy. His functional strength for a man his size is pretty good but... he is no powerhouse in terms of strength.
I used to be the same way when I was younger. I could out punch or wrassle with my much stronger friends but when I started working and lifting things that actually weigh something I was weak as ****. It didn't help that I was 145 pounds either and a skeleton.
I remember failing to slam a screwdriver through 5/8 OSB and pretty much bouncing off and everyone on the crew including my brother calling me weak. It hurt my pride on Vegeta levels, and now I can punch through it (with gloves because I'm a pussy). Plus I can pick up a lot of shit. I went from weakest guy on the crew by far to strongest guy out of anyone I ever worked with, by far, at least in regards to picking up or moving shit at work. Still need to stop putting off working out though now that I'm not picking up random objects at work.
I notice a lot of MMA fighters doing a lot of meme shit though with weights, or some being crazy weak. Or Sage Northcutt being retardedly strong but it not translating well at all to his fights. No technique I guess.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Just what I thought. Struggling with the weight of a man.And no, I didn't say 105 would be close to his max or struggling, I said he was "working out" with it. Indicating he felt he was getting enough benefit out of 105 pounds to do so.
And no, that was seemingly within a week of July 16th. Conor's fight was on Aug 26th. The link to the video is in the description, and here is the video the bench press is from (Seery's last fight in the UFC was on July 16th, not the date the video was uploaded):
YouTube videoSo around July 23rd, but definitely before Aug 8th, and it was his first time at the UFC Performance Institute for that camp, so his weight cutting wouldn't had anything to do with it, nor did he appear to be doing anything that would make him struggle for bench. Conor is just weak.
That's where his technique comes into play. You said it yourself that Khabib is all technique, now why wouldn't takedown defense be the same? He wasn't just pushing Khabib away, he was using leverage and getting underhooks as well as positions to help avoid it. Also Khabib was mostly just trying to wear him out that first round.
Bob Sapp is one of the strongest guys in MMA and his takedown defense sucks. Technique is vastly more important. Khabib is still way stronger than Conor though. The absence of evidence doesn't prove he move anywhere near the weight Khabib can, nor does his struggling help.
Roddy also was only showing the "highlights" of his training. If Conor was throwing around bigger weight or benching 135 pounds easier you'd think he would have posted it. I don't know if I have to watch more vlogs to find it, but I doubt I will. Like I said, I doubt Conor could bench 200 and I've seen nothing to doubt that. Same with squatting for that matter. Doubt the guy could squat 225 and that's pretty damned low... bar, which is what he'd have to do to get one rep and destroy his form.
I said you implied 105 is problematic for him. If he feels like 105 benefits him, again, he's done weirder shit in training and recorded it.
A massive part of the fight thinks his Ido Portal movement training is useless, for example. And fighters deliberately leave out certain parts of their game from training videos. It would definitely be an advantage to hide your strength until game day.
I said Khabib was technically gifted, but, you suggested a strength disparity which would totally nullify technique. If their strength gap was that wide, Khabib could just do basic football tackles and end the fight. No technique would save Conor at all.
Bob Sapp being a great example of that actually. His takedown defense was actually pretty good, so long as his strength held. Once he got tired, which was fast as he was nearly 100% strength, that's when he got taken down. He piledrived Nogueira during a single leg attempt. There is definitely a point at which strength overrides technique, and it would totally happen if Conor were "wildy" weaker than Khabib.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Also Khabib was mostly just trying to wear him out that first round.Khabib is still way stronger than Conor though. The absence of evidence doesn't prove he move anywhere near the weight Khabib can, nor does his struggling help.
It proves we don't actually know what Conor can move. The rest is just speculation.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Mcgregor is a small man. He hits hard for a small man, but that is more to do with technique, timing and accuracy. His functional strength for a man his size is pretty good but... he is no powerhouse in terms of strength.
You're adding a lot of context that doesn't exist to limitations of Conor. And it absolutely is not in his character to hide his best work. That's why all the muscleup videos, human flag, and his "super rowing" exist; because he's a braggart. Conor likes looking impressive, if he had a massive bench he would show it. The omission of anything resembling good numbers from a man such as himself does the exact opposite effect however, and makes you think he's weak. We know he's maxed out or near maxed out in bench, but they even hid the weight in that video which is beyond questionable. So why doesn't Mr 500 Million Dollar Suits have a bench video with numbers?
But what we have seen is not impressive at all. Having trouble with 135 when he seems to be doing nothing else that would hinder his bench that workout is shit. Invent all the context you want, but I have to be doing my full workout with working reps and then go back to 135 to start having issues with it once I hit 10 or so reps. Yet we don't have videos from "highlights" of weight above 135. Hmm.
200 is a big difference too and giving him a lot of wiggle room there, but when he does nothing to prove he can bench that amount, you can't say he could do so without evidence.
Also him hiding a big bench from Mayweather isn't exactly going to help. People hide their techniques and gameplans, not their bench... unless it's shit.
I never said any strength would nullify technique. I said that Khabib was way stronger than him, and his technique was better, that's it. And Khabib is way stronger than him, but that's not saying the disparity is like a roided out football player vs a vastly weaker and smaller one. It's a different sort of game, and Khabib doesn't rely on brute force to work his shoots.
Khabib being stronger than Conor doesn't mean he's exactly ragdoll human territories of strength. Conor doesn't have to be that strong to stave off being bulldozed, he just has to train with wrestlers religiously for a while to specifically nail down the technique Khabib uses and defend against it. Which he did kind of OK I guess.
It wasn't really and still isn't. Regardless, that was smaller weaker Nog than old man Nog, and Bob Sapp is exponentially stronger than Nog. It's not little guys being little guy stronger than other little guys, it's Bob Sapp being 2 to 3 times as strong as Nog in every aspect.
Also lol at that being Conor's gameplan. That's either a bold faced lie, or the dumbest gameplan ever... especially when he was trying to avoid getting taken down.
And none of those contextless videos show him being stronger than the "average gym goer" except that his core strength is good and he can do pull ups. That's the issue there, you can say that it lacks context all you want from self admitted highlights from his team, but at the end of the day that's simply an excuse based on nothing, and it lacks any positives to give Conor a thumbs up in that aspect.
I would love for you to show me Conor moving more weight than what I said, because I don't want him to be that weak. But simply saying it lacks context doesn't help further matters on why he should be stronger than what the videos portrays.
Are you left handed or right handed, Bran?
Originally posted by StyleTimeDid you get this from quotes, or did you watch the Joe Rogan interview with Kavanaugh? If no, you should really watch it. I was surprised how laid back he was.
John Kavanagh revealed that was actually Conor's plan. They thought they could tire Khabib out if Conor shelled up the first round. That wouldn't have happened with this massive strength disparity you're speaking about.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Show me the squat video. Also around 170 pounds in squat also isn't very good either.Wait a minute though, here he is struggling with 135 pounds. Notice his closed eyes thankful he gets it up. A squat video is also there. 3 mins for bench.
The guy in the video is wrong naturally. Blue bumper plates especially American ones are in pounds not kilograms. 20 kg for British or 45 pounds for American ones. Also lol at the UFC putting lines in there to look like more weight. You can see the split here:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2ckhadEY-lA/hqdefault.jpgThat would mean that UFC has the smallest 50 kg bumper plates in the world in the red ones, if he were correct about them being in kg.
And yes, I realize Connor is more of an endurance trainer, but you don't train for endurance that wildly below your max, nor do you struggle with it either with terrible technique. The only other bench video I could find was him flailing where they cut off the weight. Them cutting off the weight leads me to believe it was a terrible amount. 6 minute flail
Conor does a lot of calisthetics without weight though. There's really not much room to improve there once he gets to a certain point.
And yes, no one is saying Khabib is all strength. What I'm saying is that he is still wildly above Conor in strength, in addition to his technique. So using him as a comparison for two "equal strength" individuals doesn't work out the best.
Thanks for this. It made my day - I feel so good about myself. The video guy sounds annoying as hell though lol.
'Ripped abs. Ripped abs. mmmmmm'
Clickbait vid though. The cover promised a deadlift.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaRighty but if I do arm wrestle I go with my left via snapping my arm in half when I was 10 (unrelated) and seeing too many vids of arm wrestling snaps. Needless to say I don't like arm wrestling.
YouTube videoAre you left handed or right handed, Bran?
Did you get this from quotes, or did you watch the Joe Rogan interview with Kavanaugh? If no, you should really watch it. I was surprised how laid back he was.
Arm wrassling is weird though. There's so much technique involved that it's crazy. I don't fault Conor there. X-Arm is where the true arm wrestling is.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
You're adding a lot of context that doesn't exist to limitations of Conor. And it absolutely is not in his character to hide his best work. That's why all the muscleup videos, human flag, and his "super rowing" exist; because he's a braggart. Conor likes looking impressive, if he had a massive bench he would show it. The omission of anything resembling good numbers from a man such as himself does the exact opposite effect however, and makes you think he's weak. We know he's maxed out or near maxed out in bench, but they even hid the weight in that video which is beyond questionable. So why doesn't Mr 500 Million Dollar Suits have a bench video with numbers?But what we have seen is not impressive at all. Having trouble with 135 when he seems to be doing nothing else that would hinder his bench that workout is shit. Invent all the context you want, but I have to be doing my full workout with working reps and then go back to 135 to start having issues with it once I hit 10 or so reps. Yet we don't have videos from "highlights" of weight above 135. Hmm.
200 is a big difference too and giving him a lot of wiggle room there, but when he does nothing to prove he can bench that amount, you can't say he could do so without evidence.
Also him hiding a big bench from Mayweather isn't exactly going to help. People hide their techniques and gameplans, not their bench... unless it's shit.
I never said any strength would nullify technique. I said that Khabib was way stronger than him, and his technique was better, that's it. And Khabib is way stronger than him, but that's not saying the disparity is like a roided out football player vs a vastly weaker and smaller one. It's a different sort of game, and Khabib doesn't rely on brute force to work his shoots.
Khabib being stronger than Conor doesn't mean he's exactly ragdoll human territories of strength. Conor doesn't have to be that strong to stave off being bulldozed, he just has to train with wrestlers religiously for a while to specifically nail down the technique Khabib uses and defend against it. Which he did kind of OK I guess.It wasn't really and still isn't. Regardless, that was smaller weaker Nog than old man Nog, and Bob Sapp is exponentially stronger than Nog. It's not little guys being little guy stronger than other little guys, it's Bob Sapp being 2 to 3 times as strong as Nog in every aspect.
Also lol at that being Conor's gameplan. That's either a bold faced lie, or the dumbest gameplan ever... especially when he was trying to avoid getting taken down.
And none of those contextless videos show him being stronger than the "average gym goer" except that his core strength is good and he can do pull ups. That's the issue there, you can say that it lacks context all you want from self admitted highlights from his team, but at the end of the day that's simply an excuse based on nothing, and it lacks any positives to give Conor a thumbs up in that aspect.
I would love for you to show me Conor moving more weight than what I said, because I don't want him to be that weak. But simply saying it lacks context doesn't help further matters on why he should be stronger than what the videos portrays.
I never claimed he could bench 200. I said we don't know, which we don't.
And yes, if 135 was really Conor's max(or near his max), he would not stop shit from Khabib. Get serious dude. That is such a cartoonishly large strength gap that it'd be impossible for him to even approach the comic book levels of technique he'd need to counter that. He doesn't have to be able to throw Conor into the air ala Sapp for it to be and impossibly large advantage.
You're letting your Conor hate blind you bro. You literally said he sucks in the other thread, which is laughable quite frankly. The guy is a loudmouth, but he's an incredible fighter. If you want to believe he's weaksauce, then it's your right I guess. Please understand though, that we've already seen that he does much less weight on these workout vids than he's actually capable, as we saw with the squats.
And the gameplan syncs up with happened. Avoiding the takedown is defense, but they admitted Conor didn't stick with it. He got oddly aggressive, which I noted in the MMA thread. I'm being an armchair warrior here, but I really think Conor didn't use his advantages well. Maybe it was his long lay off, or maybe he thought he could KO Khabib early. I don't know, but Conor has a really good front kick, and Khabib never parried or countered. I feel like Conor could have forced an outside based kickboxing match if he actually followed the plan.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16720796#post16720796
Originally posted by Philosophía
YouTube videoAre you left handed or right handed, Bran?
Did you get this from quotes, or did you watch the Joe Rogan interview with Kavanaugh? If no, you should really watch it. I was surprised how laid back he was.
This is going to sound crazy, but I think Conor has the tools to win a rematch. So does Khabib obviously, but I'm definitely interested in a second fight. Or maybe we can finally see Khabib/Ferguson without aliens attacking one of them or something.
I said 105 because that's a working weight that he feels he gets a benefit from. You don't curl 5 pounds if you do working reps of 40, same concept with squatting. He's either retardedly doing far below a benefit to him, or he's getting something out of his squats at that weight. Him struggling with 65 ish pounds more doesn't cross out him feeling like 105 for reps does something for him. I never said his max was this or that until I said he probably can't bench 200 or squat above 225. But what this does help show is that he probably doesn't squat far in excess of this especially if he's not used to it.
People who put under a plate on the bar for squats aren't putting up big sets. BW squats, the bar, a plate, and then 25 pound plates for 185 for warmup sets (if you're going to 225 anyway). That is normal progression for someone who squats at least 225. 105 in highlight videos is beyond questionable to say he's putting up beyond what I said.
The guy is putting on my warmup weight for overhead press on his back. Actually that's not a bad idea, I'm going to ohp for the first time in a year and see if I can crank them out easier than Conor at 170. I used to love them but I'm pure atrophy.
You literally just said that I'm claiming he's weaker than the average gym goer in defense of Conor. The implication there is that you do believe he could. Like I said, I gave him a wide range up to 200 pounds. I didn't say he couldn't do above 135, I just believe his hard cap is somewhere believe 200 as in a 1rm. Because he hasn't done anything to lead me to believe he could.
Again, 135 was never claimed to be his max. It's just a struggling working weight for at least 2 to 3 reps. Not flail struggling mind you, but you could see he was putting effort into it.
If I remember how to calculate 1rm correctly and we say he did 5 reps of 135, that would put his 1rm at around 156. 10 reps of 135 is 198. it shows the where he needs to go to get to 200 pounds. Judging from those reps I doubt he's going through 10 reps.
Khabib's would be 242 in comparison with some serious leeway. Let's say 190-195 for Conor at best. It's not astronomical, but it is a lot higher. Bob Sapp in comparison said he did near a 600 pound bench, and a 750-800 squat when training for football in college. Easily double the best you could give to Prime smaller Nog. That is who you're comparing him to there.
I don't hate Conor, I like him more than Khabib. Stow your bias accusations when you're saying he could beat Khabib in a rematch. I'm just saying a lot of these MMA fighters are weaker pure strength wise than people think. Even Khabib is fairly weak. Iirc someone like Tyson Griffin was benching 3 plates. Some people know how to train for strength, some don't is all. What matters more is technique and knowing how to deal with certain situations. And if you know how to actually use your whole body for moves, you can seem a lot stronger. Conor has an amazing core for example which allows him to not fold up, and allows him to transfer more power from the ground. He has a good connection with the ground which makes him harder to move around than the average guy as weak as him. I don't think Khabib has anywhere near the core that Conor has, but he's stronger everywhere else. Even something like a weak neck will allow you to get controlled more for grappling.
But anyway, there's things that are X-Factors for takedown defense that aren't purely strength orientated. It's not a strength vs strength game. Some floppy guy who bends in half at the slightest touch is going to be easier to take down than the dude who can keep tight in a takedown d position. I'd go into this more, but you can try it out yourself just by dude wrestling. Tighten your core and see how much different it is dude wrestling a guy with a relaxed core.
Right, so Conor's gameplan wasn't to wear Khabib out by getting taken down is what you're saying?
Anyway, I'll be back probably tomorrow and I'll tell you how my workout goes that I'm going to do right now. Eh, maybe I'll be back afterwards, depends on how fast I finish.
Nah, everything I said is right. Everything you said is wrong.
How 'bout that?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I don't hate Conor, I like him more than Khabib. Stow your bias accusations when you're saying he could beat Khabib in a rematch.
Not really seeing the bias here, especially compared to your "Conor sucks" comment breh.
I think we'll have to wait a loooong time for the rematch.
Meanwhile, I'm excited about Cormier vs Jones 3..
https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/10/12/17965686/morning-report-daniel-cormier-isnt-sure-if-hell-fight-jon-jones-or-brock-lesnar-after-derrick-lewis
