Supergirl vs. Red Hulk

Started by StyleTime4 pages

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Uh huh. "Based on what we saw work". Yeah those 4-5 attacks.

Khabib almost gassed himself out trying to finish a then at the time pretty uninjured Conor because Khabib was pissed off. Then he spent the next round unable to get a takedown because of that, while an also gassed Conor refused to throw any power behind his punches.
Khabib didn't have to go into that little rage though is the issue. We've seen him much more composed than that with a better gastank. What happens when Khabib doesn't punch the mat 100 times and instead just wears out Conor for the next two rounds? Just something simple like that would have sufficed.

That's not what I said though.
And if Conor can't follow the gameplan but instead iyo runs head first into the best grappler in the division, then that doesn't exactly help matters. Your entire defense is criticizing him for what he did wrong, which is pretty much the exact reason I'm saying he sucks = basis.

Conor winning rematch = ?


Okay, I guess I'm not explaining myself fully here. My fault. Let's remember one thing here: Conor won Round 3 on all the judges scorecards.

His front kicks were the most obvious tool, not the only tool. Khabib looked lost at long range apart from one punch, which was facilitated by his grappling threat. He let Conor cut off his angles, lead him into kicks, missed counters, never parried or avoided the kicks, and showed little movement once inside. Conor frames really well with his right hand, and it allows him to land shots while defending takedowns. It's defense and offense together. Additionally, he can mix up that kick with body punches, is good at landing quick knees in the single collar tie, and far better spacing/head movement than Khabib. Conor tended to dominate the kickboxing range. He just, for whatever reason, decided to pressure Khabib into panic wrestling most times.

As RD 3 showed us, Conor has the toolset to make this match competitive. I didn't pull this out of thin air. When he did the exact things I'm talking about, he won the round. Framing, stuffing takedowns as they come rather than forcing shots, getting underhooks immediately, using a variety of strikes to open Khabib up, maintaining distance with kicks, etc. The only real question here is, will he be willing to put his pride aside like in the Diaz rematch, and fight smart in a rematch?

And Khabib didn't waste energy or gas. He did what Khabib always does, and Conor surprised us in the 1st round. Conor defended that low single pretty well, and was counter wrestling with surprising fluidity. Khabib just hit the crackdown to double leg transition super fast, as his chain wrestling is incredible like I said before. Conor wasn't able to respond in time, although he impressively fought off the leg triangle a few times.

I just see this fight as Khabib doing 90% Khabib stuff, with Conor doing 30% Conor stuff. He looked great when he actually did his 30%. I certainly have speculation about certain things. Would going straight to full guard be better than the butterfly guard Conor used in Rd.1? Maybe. The other stuff is me observing the fight though.

I think we can reach agreement here? Maybe you think his odds are only 5%, but he definitely has tools available if he chooses to use them.

Because he was gassed or tired in the third. Both him and Conor were moving around like shit in the third. At the end of the second he was beet red and breathing hard. We even saw a huge change in the 4th where both him and Conor were moving much better, and Khabib wasn't throwing lazy takedowns.

Also no, Khabib is just not the best at kickboxing even if, but Conor wasn't doing much either. He wasn't trying to cut Khabib off or create angles, his feet weren't even moving most of the time, he was reacting to what Khabib was doing. Hell for more length of time than what should have happened, Khabib was standing still in front of him, as well as he didn't shoot for a takedown until a minute 30 and it was with weak and slow effort. He got another but he didn't again rally for it, and Conor was holding onto his gloves everytime in the clinch.
Khabib was mad, cocky, and more tired than you'd care to admit. He (and Conor) moved a lot better in the 4th and his takedown in the 4th was way quicker with a lot more commitment.

The only real question is if Conor fights smart? Come on guy, you sit here, call me an Uncle Tom and then you act like the only reason Conor lost was because of Conor? I thought we were friends... I thought we were best friends. You're now mitigating Khabib's involvement in favor of the one round where he wasn't quite himself and even the biggest Conor fan in the world (Dominic Cruz) was saying it. And it wasn't even that bad of a round for him either, he just lacked the step in his pep on those shots, or Conor was holding his gloves... or he just walked away from the clinch.

Khabib was full force swinging on Conor for a good while in which many didn't land well at all. It was basically a (slightly) more controlled Shane Carwin moment for a bit. Except I don't remember Shane standing up and sending punches from his feet that travel 6 to 7 feet to find their target. That wasn't the best use of his energy and it definitely showed in the next round. Plus just Khabib's striking as a whole where he most certainly uses more energy than the average fighter, but that isn't exactly unique to that fight.

And that would be more Conor stuff than what Khabib normally allows. I don't even think he set up his shots in round 3 in anyway either. The guy just shot, or grabbed. In that 10 percent where Khabib wasn't himself, Conor was... and he still wasn't throwing much power and 2 teeps the whole round. Hell he threw 3 teeps in the forth in a minute and then...

If Khabib was just given er beans the whole round and Conor was holding him off, I'd be more inclined to agree his chances go up. But as it was Khabib was a bit off (his own fault) and Conor didn't really take advantage of that. And then got raped the next round when he tried the same thing.

I'm not saying Conor couldn't KO Khabib, but I don't think using that fight is a very good judge to say Conor could or would win a rematch. Ignoring the context, it's basically going back to the fight being on paper. If they stand in front of each other for extended periods of time, Conor can win. If Khabib fights smarter and sets up his shots without having a fit trying to smash Conor's face in, he should have more in the tank while steadily declining Conor's.

Ifs and buttholes bro. If they have a rematch it might actually go worse for Conor tbh, especially if Khabib isn't quite as pissed off.

What I really want is either Conor or Khabib to beat the shit out of Tony Ferguson though. Can't stand him or Woodley.

Khabib could have murdered him in the 1st round.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=401458&from=thread&pagenumber=253#post16722640

I responded in the MMA thread in the sports forum. We derailed the shit out of this thread enough already lol.

Anyway, Supergirl with an axe is pretty frightening against a brick.

Originally posted by StyleTime
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=401458&from=thread&pagenumber=253#post16722640

I responded in the MMA thread in the sports forum. We derailed the shit out of this thread enough already lol.

Anyway, Supergirl with an axe is pretty frightening against a brick.

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Khabib would eat Connor’s food in a rematch. Style is sloppin’ for that Irish noggin’.

“Connor could totally beat Khabib if he stuck to the game plan and had Rogol Zoor’s axe.”

Rematch the fight bro. It was such a shitty performance.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Khabib would eat Connor’s food in a rematch. Style is sloppin’ for that Irish noggin’.

“Connor could totally beat Khabib if he stuck to the game plan and had Rogol Zoor’s axe.”

Rematch the fight bro. It was such a shitty performance.


Originally posted by StyleTime
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=401458&from=thread&pagenumber=253#post16722640

I responded in the MMA thread in the sports forum. We derailed the shit out of this thread enough already lol.


I shall also direct you to the other thread sir. I've been trying to bring new blood to it for ages.

Originally posted by StyleTime
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=401458&from=thread&pagenumber=253#post16722640

I responded in the MMA thread in the sports forum. We derailed the shit out of this thread enough already lol.

Anyway, Supergirl with an axe is pretty frightening against a brick.

Pretty slimey of you tbh. No one wants to go to that dead forum.

I might respond later on, but I also might not. Navigating through that graveyard sounds great though.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Pretty slimey of you tbh. No one wants to go to that dead forum.

I might respond later on, but I also might not. Navigating through that graveyard sounds great though.


My quest to revive it will probably fail in the end, but I can't let it go. Nostalgia's a *****.

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I think me and Fatnude used to post there, but then Fatnude left the world too soon.
At least the Star Wars forum is close to the Comic Books section. The Sports forum is right beside Death who keeps goading it to come closer.

The MMA thread still has Pride in the name and there's a thread from 2015 on the front page. You could rename that forum the Depression Forum and nothing would change. Might as well make a wrist slitting thread there.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I think me and Fatnude used to post there, but then Fatnude left the world too soon.

Yep. Batdude was a regular. Dr Leg Kick, Mark Question, Insomniatric, Quiero Mota, I-drop, smiley, whirly always had some account active in there, srank, Naija, Nibedicus, Mindset dropped in to troll all the time, and of course people who visited semi-frequently from other sub forums. Mungi, Robtard, some star wars people who's names I don't recall, Nemebro, etc. Plenty of others I'm not remembering. People across the site are interested in it, so it's nice when there's a central thread for us

Had some actual fighters or folks who trained too. And of course, the people who dropped in just to argue why MMA sucks or why Boxing is a better sport. Or why a Mantis King Fu expert would kill any prize fighter. It was great.

And we could argue dumb hypothetical fights that would never happen. Me and batdude went on for a bit about a prime Rich Franklin vs prime Chuck Liddel, not the Chuck that gets concussed brushing his teeth.

Originally posted by One Big Mob

MThe MMA thread still has Pride in the name and there's a thread from 2015 on the front page. You could rename that forum the Depression Forum and nothing would change. Might as well make a wrist slitting thread there.

they need to make khabib vs ferguson and gsp vs conor next
both fights at 155, then the winner of these 2 matches fight
that would be the best script

gsp one last come back from retirement, gsp conor fight would be such a draw to ppv, that's the money fight. but the fight would be no competition at all it's gonna be just a pimp smacking his biatch. conor would be the stepping stone to gsp getting the lw belt from khabib.
however i dont think dana white gonna let his golden boy conor gets raped again. let's be honest conor has no chance in hell against either of these three.

khabib vs ferguson would be a good fight, if khabib win

khabib vs gsp would be a fight of legacy, if gsp beat khabib, he gets lw belt, that mean he has belts in 3 division, making him the greatest ufc fighter of all time surpassing anderson silva

if khabib beats gsp and ferguson, he can retire undefeated making him top 3 in mma history no doubt

I think khabib only chance beating gsp is at 155, gsp might not make weight though

if they fight at 170, gsp would maul any of them. the only one gonna beat him at that weight is woodley and gsp not gonna fight him