Is ROTJ Darth Vader more powerful than Anakin?

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
I'm pretty sure Vader can't cause Dooku to almost fall unconscious through his physically augmented strength even when Dooku's drawing on his full power.

Just to clarify, that would be a combination of Anakin speed and strength. And I'd argue that if we're going by feats only, Vader's superiority in physical strength to a prime Galen Marek and his superior speed to post RotS ( 1-2 years ) Kenobi decades before his prime is enough to replicate if not surpass that accomplishment.

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Originally posted by Beelzebub
Just to clarify, that would be a combination of Anakin speed and strength. And I'd argue that if we're going by feats only, Vader's superiority in physical strength to a prime Galen Marek and his superior speed to post RotS ( 1-2 years ) Kenobi decades before his prime is enough to replicate if not surpass that accomplishment.

I wouldn't use Galen as a benchmark. Anakin's physical strength and speed is well above Marek's.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
I wouldn't use Galen as a benchmark. Anakin's physical strength and speed is well above Marek's.

Was referencing Galen in order to demonstrate Vader's strength. I referenced Obi Wan to demonstrate Vader's speed. Galen's speed is directly scaled from Vader so I wouldn't use that to prove Vader's speed. While I agree Anakin has better strength feats then Galen, we're not comparing the two, we're comparing being solidly stronger then Marek to being stronger then Dooku.

Where does it say Vader’s stronger than peak Marek?

Also note that Vader has gloves that explicitly modify his strength radically, so it’s not a direct indicator of augmentation like Anakin’s is.

Originally posted by Beelzebub
Was referencing Galen in order to demonstrate Vader's strength. I referenced Obi Wan to demonstrate Vader's speed. Galen's speed is directly scaled from Vader so I wouldn't use that to prove Vader's speed. While I agree Anakin has better strength feats then Galen, we're not comparing the two, we're comparing being solidly stronger then Marek to being stronger then Dooku.

Dooku's physical strength isn't below Marek's if that's what you're suggesting.

@Jaggarth: Well, in the TFU novelization it says that, where Galen is fast, Vader is strong. I believe that probably means that they hold the respective advantages in those areas.

Does that matter though? Even if there's something else augmenting his strength to that level that doesn't change the fact that his strength is on that level.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Dooku's physical strength isn't below Marek's if that's what you're suggesting.

Going by their respective feats/scaling they would at the very least be on or around the same level.

Originally posted by Beelzebub
Going by their respective feats/scaling they would at the very least be on or around the same level.

Which would put them below Anakin. Dooku's colossally strong and would be able to stand up to Vader better than Marek.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Which would put them below Anakin. Dooku's colossally strong and would be able to stand up to Vader better than Marek.

Yes, but again we're not discussing Galen and Dooku in comparison to Anakin.

Well that's the debate. I'd appreciate some evidence to support Dooku being physically stronger then Galen.

Originally posted by Beelzebub
@Jaggarth: Well, in the TFU novelization it says that, where Galen is fast, Vader is strong. I believe that probably means that they hold the respective advantages in those areas.

Does that matter though? Even if there's something else augmenting his strength to that level that doesn't change the fact that his strength is on that level.

Not to mention that's not peak Marek anyway.

Originally posted by Beelzebub
Yes, but again we're not discussing Galen and Dooku in comparison to Anakin.

Well that's the debate. I'd appreciate some evidence to support Dooku being physically stronger then Galen.

I mentioned that because I believe Anakin's physical strength > Vader's.

What exactly does Galen have that stands up to Dooku meeting Yoda's strength head on?

Originally posted by Jaggarath
lmao, it also says that about ROTJ Luke and ROTJ Vader, yet Luke's just as if not more physically powerful.

Not to mention that's not peak Marek anyway.

ROTJ Luke? Why do you believe so? It's hard to gauge their attributes in comparison to each other regarding the circumstances of that fight.

Originally posted by Jaggarath
lmao, it also says that about ROTJ Luke and ROTJ Vader, yet Luke's just as if not more physically powerful.

Not to mention that's not peak Marek anyway.

While I don't think it's clear cut, I don't see any problem with the interpretation that, prior to Luke becoming enraged, Vader was stronger then him.

Of course. I'm simply referencing Galen as of that point in the fight.

What are your thoughts on TFU Vader? There's been a lot of debate recently among my friends as to when Vader's prime is. I personally believe it to be ROTJ.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
What are your thoughts on TFU Vader? There's been a lot of debate recently among my friends as to when Vader's prime is. I personally believe it to be ROTJ.

It's stated to be RotJ by Vader himself and the OT in general by numerous quotes.

Originally posted by Beelzebub
It's stated to be RotJ by Vader himself and the OT in general by numerous quotes.

As to this thread, Vader has a decent chance of beating Anakin imo. If nothing else, he possesses intimate knowledge of Anakin for obvious reasons, which is a fairly big advantage.

Originally posted by CactusJoe
All of which, to my knowledge, are pre-TFU quotes (talking out-of-universe here). So, one could argue that, in Legends, there are actually two versions of Vader: one that is encompassed by the aforementioned quotes, and one that is exempt from those (TFU).

As to this thread, Vader has a decent chance of beating Anakin imo. If nothing else, he possesses intimate knowledge of Anakin for obvious reasons, which is a fairly big advantage.

Even if he did know he was fighting a younger version of himself it likely wouldn't matter. Just because he knows what to expect doesn't mean it'll be easy. I don't see Vader's formula working well against someone like Anakin.

In force power yes, in sabers he gets thrashed.