Originally posted by h1a8
How is it lowballing Mjolnir. We all know the formula for kinetic energy. What do you suggest we use to quantify the feat?If you have someone pinned to a wall like Hela had Thor then it would be extremely difficult (even if they were the same strength as you) for them to break free in the position Thor was in. This is not a lie.
Good job of ignoring the next scene where Hela throws an attack and Thor, with his strength, easily stops it. So much for her being vastly stronger.
Good job of ignoring the fact that it was a casual backhand. Good job of ignoring the fact that Volstagg initially had a good amount of momentum that had to be stopped before being sent back.
This feat can be quantified though.
We use the actual “feats”. Moron. Aka. how much damage it is shown to do.
Not how muscles and leverage works. Definitely a lie. Tell you what. Lemme know where you live. You use that relaxed arm position to pin me against the wall. I am betting I would get out in under a second.
Block is close to the body blocking a slow weapon swing with a fully extended arm from behind the wrist. Not too hard to do even against someone much bigger. We do that in Arnis (Kali) all the time. Barely feel any impact on the block.
You wouldn’t know, you don’t know a lick about self-defense.
He covered 30-40 feet in 2.8 seconds and got sent back 20 feet in a little under 2 seconds. Nope. Not impressive.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are forever using the fallacy of equating feats.
Characters aren't the same strength in every scene.
Characters don't share feats. Hela doesn't get Thor's peak feats just because she was shown stronger.
I can't say that since Gladiator busted a planet then Colossus can withstand planet busting punches. I'm pretty sure you can think of some good examples.Both Thor and Hela were operating at low level superhuman strength when they fought each other.
The feat can be quantified though. Good find. You are the king of mining for feats for your characters.
Translation: "I don't want to use actual screenfeats to estimate their strength. I want to make up my own bullshit, like 'operating at low level superhuman strength', in order to massively lowball them."
No one is sharing feats. Also, that's not a peak feat. Thor has other showings on that same level and beyond. Also, it's absolutely laughable that you drag friggin' Jessica Jones into this thread for several posts, and try to use her durability feats in your argument against Hela, yet pull this crap when someone makes a comparison between Hela and someone she directly tested her strength against onscreen at multiple points.
And, again, you see nothing wrong with this.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Translation: "I don't want to use actual screenfeats to estimate their strength. I want to make up my own bullshit, like 'operating at low level superhuman strength', in order to massively lowball them."No one is sharing feats. Also, that's not a peak feat. Thor has other showings on that same level and beyond. Also, it's absolutely laughable that you drag friggin' Jessica Jones into this thread for several posts, and try to use her durability feats in your argument against Hela, yet pull this crap when someone makes a comparison between Hela and someone she directly tested her strength against onscreen at multiple points.
And, again, you see nothing wrong with this.
Characters operate at different strength levels in different scenes. This is a fact.
You can't use another character's feats for another character.
I used JJ to show that Nibedicus logic is flawed. I never gave a character another character's feat. Nibedicus gave a rule of logic as if it always applied. I gave an instance where it doesn't apply, therefore giving a counterexample.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
We use the actual “feats”. Moron. Aka. how much damage it is shown to do.Not how muscles and leverage works. Definitely a lie. Tell you what. Lemme know where you live. You use that relaxed arm position to pin me against the wall. I am betting I would get out in under a second.
Block is close to the body blocking a slow weapon swing with a fully extended arm from behind the wrist. Not too hard to do even against someone much bigger. We do that in Arnis (Kali) all the time. Barely feel any impact on the block.
You wouldn’t know, you don’t know a lick about self-defense.
He covered 30-40 feet in 2.8 seconds and got sent back 20 feet in a little under 2 seconds. Nope. Not impressive.
You are an idiot if you think you can get out of my choke hold in under a second. I have you pinned against the wall. I'm applying a pushing force. I have a strong ass arm and grip. Your arms are positioned where you have a great disadvantage in leverage. If you manage to get out then it will be tough as hell.
It's not impressive in terms of other feats but in terms of how Hela hit people away then it shows the comparison of strength between the two.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. I am using feats. The feat where we see Mjolnir approaching her. We can see it's speed. We can ignore speed if we see some other contradictory evidence, but we don't.2. You are an idiot if you think you can get out of my choke hold in under a second. I have you pinned against the wall. I'm applying a pushing force. I have a strong ass arm and grip. Your arms are positioned where you have a great disadvantage in leverage. If you manage to get out then it will be tough as hell.
3. It's not impressive in terms of other feats but in terms of how Hela hit people away then it shows the comparison of strength between the two.
1. Mjolnir doesn’t follow the rules of physics. You’re attempting to move the debate to an irrelevant tangent by posting an absurd argument and hoping I’d try to refute it. Sorry, won’t bite. I don’t have to refute stupid.
I have all the proof I need Mjolnir > Kinetic force of the DBeams. Hela > Mjolnir. That’s all I need.
2. My challenge stands.
3. That is not a metric I have to follow given the wealth of “feats” Hela and Thor has. So no. Try again.
What IS your argument h1? That the Destroyer is stronger than Hela? That the Destroyer would beat Hela in melee range? As I continually crush your arguments, it seems you keep regressing to just attempting to downplay Hela’s “feats” and providing non-arguments for the Destroyer.