Hit vs MUI Goku

Who wins?

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I was thinking, manga Goku's durability doesn't seem any higher. He's just really good at dodging.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
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Lets see...

Jiren treated Hit like an inept feeb without even powering up. MUI Goku contended with, and beat, a full power Jiren.

This is a ridiculous mismatch, tbh.

Meant to say, Hit can use killing techs.

Then Hit totally wins......

Didn't regular ol' SSB Goku already beat a Hit who had been hired to kill him(and was therefore using his killing techniques) during their rematch..?

Meh it was refered that he was fighting as a martial artist and not an assassin in round 2 hence he loved fighting Goku....

Still end of Top Goku would demolish Hit without MUI..

That's right. 👆

Yeah, it was made clear during the ToP that Hit's temporal shenanigans were next to worthless against a Jiren who hadn't even began powering up yet. Giving Hit the ability to kill wouldn't change that.

MUI is overkill by many, many, many orders of magnitude.

I hope Hit returns in Super though dont want him to become fodder...

He was easily the coolest opponent Goku fought so far...

For me Hit was by far the most interesting character(with the most interesting set of abilities) to come out of DBS. Really do hope he stays relevant.

Like Jiren said, relying on openings is not true strength. I think MUI Goku is much weaker then Jiren. Less strength, less durability, less power. They only look comparable, because Goku is cheating with a technique that auto dodges for him, and allows perfect counters.

If Hit freeze's Goku and lands a clean hit, it will have the same effect if it was Goku without MUI. Odds are, Goku isn't even as strong as in blue form, and is closer to base power levels, which Roshi established you don't need much of if you have technique.

Basically, Ultra Instinct is the apex of skill vs power. It's Toriyama phasing out power levels, in favor of skill.

Wow....

Originally posted by cdtm
Like Jiren said, relying on openings is not true strength.

Anyway, MUI Goku's strikes/blasts took a HUGE toll on Jiren. So clearly MUI boosted Goku's power astronomically in the manga, just like it did in the anime. If Goku's power wouldn't have increased in proportion with his skill, his attacks wouldn't have done a damn thing to a powered-up Jiren.

Originally posted by cdtm
If Hit freeze's Goku and lands a clean hit

Good god.

Originally posted by Galan007
Jiren just said that because he was butthurt that Goku was the superior fighter, lol. If you leave yourself open, you get hit. That's how fighting works.

If it was only Jiren who said that, but Belmond reinforced his comment by cooly calling it a "trick".

We know even the most powerful characters are vulnerable if they're caught off guard. UI probably catch's them just at the moment their guard is down, making the user look far more powerful then they actually are.

Originally posted by cdtm
If it was only Jiren who said that, but Belmond reinforced his comment by cooly calling it a "trick".

Are you trying to act like MUI doesn't also amp Goku's power tremendously? Do you also remember how he dissipated Jiren's energy ball in the anime?

Originally posted by cdtm
We know even the most powerful characters are vulnerable if they're caught off guard. UI probably catch's them just at the moment their guard is down, making the user look far more powerful then they actually are.

MUI Goku was tagging Jiren because he was the superior fighter, and his blows were powerful enough to cause major damage to Jiren. If Goku's power would have been significantly inferior to Jiren's(as you're suggesting), Jiren could have just sat in one spot and allowed Goku to melee his face, without sustaining any damage.

Like he did Roshi?

Or like Kale did the inferior to Blue (Considering Toppo is their strongest member, and wasn't in on that attack) Pride Troopers?

No, more like ASSB Vegeta did to a (non-powered up) Jiren in the previous chapter: landed a few solid blows that barely even managed to scratch Jiren, because Vegeta simply wasn't powerful enough to damage him.

Punches aren't going to do shit unless they're powerful enough to cause damage. MUI is a gargantuan amp in both skill AND power -- that's why Goku's strikes f*cked Jiren up, when nothing beforehand had been able to damage him at all.

And then of course there's this:

Surely you don't think SSB or even Omen UI would've given Goku enough of a power-boost to casually gesture away Jiren's energy ball like that..?

Again, Kale went from shrugging off Golden Freeza and Goku Blue, to being knocked around by a group of relatively weaker Pride Troopers, 'cause teamwork.

If Kales that powerful, she should have tanked their attacks, the same way Toppo stood firm against Vegeta's best punch's.