Originally posted by Horrificus
A LOT of these debates seem to come down to Odin. Either directly, or through chains of characters.
He is one of the most important "measuring sticks" we use.
Bullshit, you began using Odin as some measuring stick, but forgot that he couldn't be used at both sides of the spectrum. How about we use an opponent that they've both had it out with? Thor. When did Mangog fracture Thor's skull with one punch again? Find a new measuring stick.
Originally posted by deathslash
not saying that I disagree with you, but Odin had went for a pretty long time without his Odin Sleep and was also giving huge amounts of his blood to Freya. Let's say that at the very least, he went down one tier (so he'd be a mid skyfather) and at the most, went down three tiers (so he'd be a high trans).
Mid Sky to high trans is still, what, King Thor level at the very least (tier thread has KT at trans). That's Asgardian Destroyer level at least. Someone Mangog literally chewed up and spat out - which makes Odin above high trans (as Mangog didn't curb him with the same effort).
So a 'weakened' Odin is still mid/low Skyfather. No small feat then for Mangog to make such a character struggle.
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Originally posted by Stoic
Bullshit, you began using Odin as some measuring stick, but forgot that he couldn't be used at both sides of the spectrum. How about we use an opponent that they've both had it out with? Thor. When did Mangog fracture Thor's skull with one punch again? Find a new measuring stick.
Looks like War Thor is pretty underrated.
Either that, or Ulik is. Always rated him as a Thor and Herc peer, and Volstagg squashed him like a bug. And Enchantress, too. At the same time.
Originally posted by Stoiceasy there skipper!
Bullshit, you began using Odin as some measuring stick, but forgot that he couldn't be used at both sides of the spectrum. How about we use an opponent that they've both had it out with? Thor. When did Mangog fracture Thor's skull with one punch again? Find a new measuring stick.
Oh, and, it was simply a Lucky Punch.
It happens.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He isn't getting angry?He doesn't exactly look.....sad, does he?
I wasn't actually thinking of his most recent showing. I was thinking about how easily he brushed off Hercules and Thor's attempt to subdue him. Then we have him laughing off an assault by a guy that was capable of physically strangling the Grandmaster, and do it easily. I also noticed that this Hulk only became psychotic after his run in with Sasquatch, who was also exhibiting that feral behavior due to possession.
Originally posted by Horrificus
easy there skipper!
I wasn't even talking about this match specifically.
I was noting that there r certain characters that seem to get brought up in matches, to make a point. Like Superman, GLs, Hulk, Galactus, etc.Oh, and, it was simply a Lucky Punch.
It happens.
Again you're BSing here because you're attempting to either bypass the Hulks new status, or you aren't, or have not been following the direction that Marvel is taking the character in. Mangog has absolutely no way of winning a physical confrontation with a guy that can't be knocked out. He had his entire skull crushed by Grandmaster Prime, and giggled about it. This Hulk would simply outpace Mangog in terms of pure physical might, and destroy him. Mangogs only hope of victory is bfr.
It isn't luck when Thor himself commented on how his strength had vastly increased, so you're completely wrong, or are simply a diehard fanboy incapable of being objective. Thor even mentions how the Hulk seems to have transcended tiers into godhood.
Originally posted by cdtm
Looks like War Thor is pretty underrated.Either that, or Ulik is. Always rated him as a Thor and Herc peer, and Volstagg squashed him like a bug. And Enchantress, too. At the same time.
Except that Jane was easily able to contend with War Thor, and we saw how easily this brand of Hulk brushed her off, and this came before the mental disorder, or spiritual possession that he received after absorbing Sasquatches powers. This Hulk has been transformed into a demonically possessed Shaggy Man.
Originally posted by Stoic
It isn't luck when Thor himself commented on how his strength had vastly increased, so you're completely wrong, or are simply a diehard fanboy incapable of being objective. Thor even mentions how the Hulk seems to have transcended tiers into godhood.
Also, I am not a fanboy of Mangog. It's Mutual Respect!
Mangog has never been all crunched up like Hulk, so I don't know what to say about that. I know that Mangog could do that to Hulk. I know Mangog can manipulate matter. I know Mangog can feed off of negative emotion. I know that Im Hulk is full of negative emotions. I know Mangog could actually eat Im Hulk and then all bets r off. I know Mangog could literally rip Hulk limb from limb. Then we would have to see how Hulk handles that.
I just saying that there r a whole, great big bunch of things that r not being taken into accout.
Hulk, being able to "giggle", with a crushed skull, is not a big selling point. Bit, thats just me.
I had not even thought to flash comments made my Thor and Odin.
That would probably end this debate by itself.
Originally posted by Horrificus
There r 3 other possible options that u r forgetting:
Either
1. I am correct.
Or
2. I'm messing with u.
Or
3. I am correct AND messing with u.Also, I am not a fanboy of Mangog. It's Mutual Respect!
Mangog has never been all crunched up like Hulk, so I don't know what to say about that. I know that Mangog could do that to Hulk. I know Mangog can manipulate matter. I know Mangog can feed off of negative emotion. I know that Im Hulk is full of negative emotions. I know Mangog could actually eat Im Hulk and then all bets r off. I know Mangog could literally rip Hulk limb from limb. Then we would have to see how Hulk handles that.
I just saying that there r a whole, great big bunch of things that r not being taken into accout.
Hulk, being able to "giggle", with a crushed skull, is not a big selling point. Bit, thats just me.I had not even thought to flash comments made my Thor and Odin.
That would probably end this debate by itself.
Nothing that you said negated anything, or any points that I made. It was just a mental gymnastics fail on your part. Mangog would lose based on which one did better against similar opponents. Jane would and did give Mangog a tough fight, while IM Hulk pushed her aside like a light weight. Mangog rained blow after blow on Thor (Odinson) and was barely able or had a very difficult time putting him away, while on the other hand IM Hulk nearly killed him with one punch.
Again while in fanboy mode, it becomes difficult to be objective. You're only selling point is tier hierarchy, which simply isn't enough in this case.
Originally posted by Stoic
I wasn't actually thinking of his most recent showing. I was thinking about how easily he brushed off Hercules and Thor's attempt to subdue him. Then we have him laughing off an assault by a guy that was capable of physically strangling the Grandmaster, and do it easily. I also noticed that this Hulk only became psychotic after his run in with Sasquatch, who was also exhibiting that feral behavior due to possession.
He was angry then as well.
.................
Even the recap called him 'furious'
This is his face when fighting the Challenger:
Saying that he's not even getting angry when performing these feats is just plain wrong.
Originally posted by Stoic
Except that Jane was easily able to contend with War Thor, and we saw how easily this brand of Hulk brushed her off, and this came before the mental disorder, or spiritual possession that he received after absorbing Sasquatches powers. This Hulk has been transformed into a demonically possessed Shaggy Man.
Avengers Jane. Not Aaron.
As someone pointed out, she did a lot better in her own title against a comparably powerful She-Hulk.
Also, I don't recall it being easy. She was having trouble.