Originally posted by StoicStoic! Shit man! What kind of "surrender" is THAT?
Nothing that you said negated anything, or any points that I made. It was just a mental gymnastics fail on your part. Mangog would lose based on which one did better against similar opponents. Jane would and did give Mangog a tough fight, while IM Hulk pushed her aside like a light weight. Mangog rained blow after blow on Thor (Odinson) and was barely able or had a very difficult time putting him away, while on the other hand IM Hulk nearly killed him with one punch.Again while in fanboy mode, it becomes difficult to be objective. You're only selling point is tier hierarchy, which simply isn't enough in this case.
Now, u have forced me to delve into my "Comic Book Library of Ancient Destruction".
By the Hoary Hosts of Hamburgers, YOU WILL PAY for your insolence!
See u guys later.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was angry then as well..................
Even the recap called him 'furious'
This is his face when fighting the Challenger:
Saying that he's not even getting angry when performing these feats is just plain wrong.
Nothing at all compared with his latest anger levels, which is the point if you missed it. Notice that it didn't take him all day to shrug off Jane and Hercules. I also noticed how you've gone from writers just want to see pretty fights to sticking to tiers as if they were cast in stone. Should I do what you're doing? I know the game DS.
Originally posted by Stoic
Nothing at all compared with his latest anger levels, which is the point if you missed it. Notice that it didn't take him all day to shrug off Jane and Hercules. I also noticed how you've gone from writers just want to see pretty fights to sticking to tiers as if they were cast in stone. Should I do what you're doing? I know the game DS.
What?
My point was that you saying 'Immortal Hulk wasn't even getting angry' is false.
That's what I had issues with. Saying he wasn't getting angry' is false, as he WAS angry. As angry as he was as WWH? WBH? Never said that.
But he was angry. Acting like he was a calm Hulk or happy Hulk or sad Hulk is false.
I didn't say anything about tiers?
This was your post, which started our discussion:
Originally posted by Stoic
No. Immortal Hulk isn't even getting angry while performing these ridiculous feats. What would Mangog use to feed off of?
Then you said oh I wasn't thinking of that time, I was thinking of anothrt time. Then I showed the only other time we saw Im Hulk....
Originally posted by quanchi112
Same character quit acting like Aaron Jane is all that matters.
It matters.
Now quit acting like it settles Hulk vs Jane. 馃憞
You know Iron Fist could not hurt Cage with his strongest Iron Fist in their first fight? By your logic, that should prove Iron Fist can't beat Cage.
Originally posted by cdtmIt gets factored in like all the evidence. You emphasizing her shows inherent bias especially when the op does not specify Aaron Jane.
It matters.Now quit acting like it settles Hulk vs Jane. 馃憞
You know Iron Fist could not hurt Cage with his strongest Iron Fist in their first fight? By your logic, that should prove Iron Fist can't beat Cage.
the immortal version in those avengers scans seemed enormously angry to me. it's also the only reason hulk exists--anger. it's at his fundamental core. really, i'd think mangog would have a limitless supply of anger to draw from. i see the hulk that fought herc and jane as being just as angry as wwh tbh. just the implied power alone suggests it. again, it's his fundamental power--the angrier he gets the stronger he gets. he was obviously plenty strong. it follows he was plenty angry. the dialogue and build up to his return all suggest the same to me. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
the immortal version in those avengers scans seemed enormously angry to me. it's also the only reason hulk exists--anger. it's at his fundamental core. really, i'd think mangog would have a limitless supply of anger to draw from. i see the hulk that fought herc and jane as being just as angry as wwh tbh. just the implied power alone suggests it. again, it's his fundamental power--the angrier he gets the stronger he gets. he was obviously plenty strong. it follows he was plenty angry. the dialogue and build up to his return all suggest the same to me. /shrug
Adrenaline is what makes the Hulk stronger at a certain point. I mean you can only be so angry right? Mangog is only so strong, he doesn't have infinite power, and as we recently witnessed, there's no way that Mangog can stop him.
sorry bro, it's not the more adrenaline hulk gets the stronger he gets.... it's anger. and it's a comic.
boundless. hyperbole? sure. do i think hulk has limitless power? no. but i think he has comic book rage which translates to comic book strength. as his anger grows so does his strength. it's been that way for....60 odd years? don't overcomplicate it my friend.
Hulk's strength is only limited by his anger. Quantifying that, is impossible. But, we allow the mythos ruling that his anger and strength r limitless. Whatever.
Mangog's strength is drawn from the hate, anger, pain, devotion and all other emotions from EVERYWHERE. Including Hulk's. Hulk's limitless anger only feeds Mangog and gets added to his other sources.
Mangog's strength is limitless, as are his supplies of power. And his durability is right in that same area. It is obviously far above Immortal Hulk's.
Glass jars were able to keep him immobilized once he was in pieces.
There r many things that Mangog can do with those pieces that will keep him from squirming back together.
Nothing has shown a limit to Mangog's power. All the times Hulk has been stopped, stomped, bitchslapped, sodomized, doodle-buggered, zim-zam in his flim-flam, etc. Did they mean that he did, after all, have limits? No. It just means that he"s a big green fairy, frowning and begging people not to make him angry.
Blah, blah, blah.
Immortal Hulk is a "fluffer" for Mangog.
Fact.
Ok. So, maybe the frame where Hulk hammer-fists Abomination is one of my all-time favorites, but THAT is the REAL Hulk! The one and only. He did not need ghey "power-ups" and fanboy love impulses to sway the writers.
He did not need to become a cosmic god, or force of nature or a World-Jiggler!
He did not need those titles and retcons and healing factor.
Hulk was Hulk. He did what he had to. And he won. Not because some writers made it official that he could not lose.
He won because THAT is why he was THERE. He wasnt a dick. Or a monster or a psycho. He was a kid driving a bulldozer.
He just ended up places, like a chess piece. Placed somewhere, by something, so he could equal out the scales again.
THAT, is the Hulk. Man, they should bring him back.
And, YES, I was a monumental fanboy at one time. I could probably recite a few hundred Hulk books, word for word, if i had to.
I admit it!! You bastards!!
And, THIS... THIS imposter, is NOT the true Hulk!!
The Hulk that fought Abomination above, would find a way to defeat your Immortal Hulk. And he wouldn't have to "ingest" anybody. And he wouldn't moan and complain the entire time, like some OTHER Hulks, (I wont name names), but they know who they r!!
Anyway. Thank u carver, for that awesome memory.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Yup.
Mangog still.War Thor
Asgard as a whole
Old featsBetter feats overall
These guys seem to still have SOME "star power" left.
Mangog
Zom
Shuma
Xemnu
Juggernaut
Maybe a few more.