Thanos vs. Nam-Ek

Originally posted by Silent Master
First example, her feat was done with only one hand vs Nam's who used both.

Well Ill up the stakes a little.

With about a 1 meter distance to accelerate the arms, It takes MORE than k+1 times more force than something's weight in order to throw it vertically to a height of k meters. I can prove all this as well.

For example, throwing something 50 meters vertically takes MORE THAN 50+1 or 51 times the objects weight in force (or more than 10,000 tons if the object weighs 200tons).

We know that the locomotive reached higher than 10 meters (closer to 50 than 10 as I can prove). So the force was more 11 times its weight, or more than 2200 tons.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The Marvel character wins.

Now, that you've admitted that you left out at least 1 important piece of information in regards to judging Hela's feat.

2nd example. Crushing Mjolnir was done with grip strength and grip strength << lifting strength. thus "x" ton grip feat >> "x" ton lifting feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Now, that you've admitted that you left out at least 1 important piece of information in regards to judging Hela's feat.

2nd example. Crushing Mjolnir was done with grip strength and grip strength << lifting strength. thus "x" ton grip feat >> "x" ton lifting feat.

For average humans yes (not in all cases though), but she isn't an average human. Her grip strength can be indeed lower than her lifting strength (or greater or about equal). Note: lifting strength is defined the amount one can press overhead.

If we assume the ratio of her grip strength to lifting strength is the same as an average athlete then her lifting strength could be anywhere between 2-4x her grip strength.
So a lower bound could be 200 tons x 2= 400 tons

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The Marvel character wins.

The DC character if h1a8 is posting.

Originally posted by h1a8
For average humans yes (not in all cases though), but she isn't an average human. Her grip strength can be indeed lower than her lifting strength (or greater or about equal). Note: lifting strength is defined the amount one can press overhead.

If we assume the ratio of her grip strength to lifting strength is the same as an average athlete then her lifting strength could be anywhere between 2-4x her grip strength.
So a lower bound could be 200 tons x 2= 400 tons

Now that you admit my first two examples are valid, the 3rd thing you "forgot" to take into account is that Hela had to also overpower the Enchantment.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Now that you admit my first two examples are valid, the 3rd thing you "forgot" to take into account is that Hela had to also overpower the Enchantment.

The forces don't add/subtract since they are orthogonal.
You have to use the greatest of the two to prove her strength.

In other words, Squeezing something requires a different action than pulling (or lifting) something. So one doing both simultaneously does not prove he/she can pull more than what he/she did.

Also, although irrelevant, how much force does it take to prevent Mjolnir from returning (assuming she wasnt worthy or had some power over the enchantment)?

Exactly, you're ignoring that the feat has two it's two parts. part 1) holding Mjolnir in place and part 2) crushing Mjolnir.

Now that you've admitted that my 3rd example is valid. do I need to keep going or are you willing to admit your bias?

That should be "the feat has two parts"

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, you're ignoring that the feat has two it's two parts. part 1) holding Mjolnir in place and part 2) crushing Mjolnir.

Now that you've admitted that my 3rd example is valid. do I need to keep going or are you willing to admit your bias?

They don't make the feat more impressive since they don't combine.
The greatest of the two is the feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
They don't make the feat more impressive since they don't combine.
The greatest of the two is the feat.

Hela casually overcoming the enchantment with one hand during the feat, whereas the Hulk couldn't even budge it while using 100% of his strength gives us a better understanding of the feats minimum level of strength needed.

IOW, it is a valid 3rd example. so now that I've provided you with 3 valid examples of things you left out when examining Hela's feat. I have to ask. why are you so biased?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hela casually overcoming the enchantment with one hand during the feat, whereas the Hulk couldn't even budge it while using 100% of his strength gives us a better understanding of the feats minimum level of strength needed.

IOW, it is a valid 3rd example. so now that I've provided you with 3 valid examples of things you left out when examining Hela's feat. I have to ask. why are you so biased?

Which one is tougher, crushing Mjolnir or preventing it from returning?

Doing both at the same doesnt add to the feat. You can easily squeeze something as you pull it. One action doesn't negate the other. If pulling required more force then we use that, if squeezing required more force then we use that. Otherwise I can claim that I can lift 100lb more than what I can really lift by simply squeezing something with 100lb of force while I lift it.

Again, I provided a list of 3 valid examples of things you ignored when examining Hela's feat.

Now, why are you so biased?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, I provided a list of 3 valid examples of things you ignored when examining Hela's feat.

Now, why are you so biased?

I'm not. I accepted the first two as they are valid. The third one isn't valid. Crushing Mjolnir and keeping it from returning don't combine to make the feat more impressive. The tougher one to do is the feat.

Nobody is trying to combine anything in the third example, this has already been explained to you. Maybe you should take the time to read and understand someone's posts before responding to them.

However, even leaving aside the third example. That is still two valid examples of things you left out when examining Hela's feat. So the question remains, why are you so biased?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nobody is trying to combine anything in the third example, this has already been explained to you. Maybe you should take the time to read and understand someone's posts before responding to them.

However, even leaving aside the third example. That is still two valid examples of things you left out when examining Hela's feat. So the question remains, why are you so biased?

I didn't leave anything out as I never attempted to quantify her feat.
You did.

So, all of the previous posts where you are clearly attempting to qualify her feat are not actually examples of you attempting to qualify her feat?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, all of the previous posts where you are clearly attempting to qualify her feat are not actually examples of you attempting to qualify her feat?

Nope. That was all you.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nope. That was all you.

Now you're claiming that I hacked your account and made those posts, prove it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Now you're claiming that I hacked your account and made those posts, prove it.

You were the one attempting to quantify the feat by suggesting Mjolnir is at least as hard as tungsten. Then you added that she did it with one hand, etc.