Jedi Three Versus Three

Originally posted by TheIndyJedi
Fisto has an accolade in the ROTS novel, implying he is better than Shaak Ti.

Which? Mace assembles the task force that he does, true, but they were used to fighting together, and he also wished to leave one capable of defending the temple should they fail.

Shaak Ti says good things about Fisto herself, true. Do either of these compare to or trump the narrator mentioning her with Mace and Dooku? Do they match Kenobi inferring she’s a more competent fighter than Anakin? Do they stand up to Sidious himself respecting her abilities more than her peers?

I wouldn’t say there’s a certain answer, but I think not.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Ki-Adi Mundi is a serious weaklink.

How? He demonstrated superiority to Grievous in their duel. Besides even at the very least he's still better than Kit.

Not that it matters anyway seen as Anakin solos.

@Selenial

The narrator mentions her aesthetic as being like Dooku's in that they use similar styles.

To suggest that her use of Makashi is around Dooku's is ridiculous.

What Kenobi says and means are two very different things. I think we can all agree that even hindered Anakin on Mustafar would stomp Ti.

Unhindered Anakin super stomps.

Completely irrelevant whether Kenobi’s statement is valid or not, when comparing it to a tenuous at best action by Windu. Regardless of your personal opinion, picking someone as ‘among’ the best in the order for a mission is honestly not on the same level as being declared an equal of Anakin Skywalker. If you’re going to argue Kenobi is fallible, so is Mace.

Your point regarding style is noted and completely dismissed though. The context of the quote is entirely based on Kenobi’s skill as a warrior. Style is the foreground of the quote, sure, but when the context is his standing in the order and as a duellist, those mentioned are obviously supposed to be those he would compare himself to. Not to mention that list is defined as, if I recall correctly, the ‘great swordbeings of the Jedi Order’.

Do they match Kenobi inferring she’s a more competent fighter than Anakin?

Doesn't Anakin respond that he could beat like a dozen Shaak Tis with his hands tied behind his back, lol

Originally posted by Jaggarath
Doesn't Anakin respond that he could beat like a dozen Shaak Tis with his hands tied behind his back, lol

Kinda. He misconstrues Kenobi’s statements and basically assumes his battle prowess can trump ten clever Jedi with his hands behind his back. Doesn’t really matter what an infamously arrogant character thinks when discussing the fallibility of character statements like these though.

Who gives a shit? We already know Fisto is better than Ti.

Originally posted by Jaggarath
Doesn't Anakin respond that he could beat like a dozen Shaak Tis with his hands tied behind his back, lol

He says: "Clever and subtle. He could whip any ten clever and subtle Jedi with his lightsaber tied behind his back."

He also later says:

"I have the power of any five Masters. Any ten. You know it, and so do they."

Dammit it won't let me quote Selenial

Originally posted by AncientPower
Ki-Adi Mundi is a serious weaklink.

At least he cared about the Droid Attack On The Wookiees

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
He says: "Clever and subtle. He could whip any ten clever and subtle Jedi with his lightsaber tied behind his back."

He also later says:

"I have the power of any five Masters. Any ten. You know it, and so do they."

👆

Perfect example of why no one cares about his monologues in that novel.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Dammit it won't let me quote Selenial

It's when I make posts on IOS, nothing I can really do about it I'm afraid 🙁

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Morals on yes. I'd say Anakin morals on can comfortably take Kenobi down.

And I would say that he can't. Not comfortably I mean. Even as a bounty hunter, Kenobi did a great job against Anakin in a physical fight. Kenobi is inferior to Anakin overall, but that fight between them woulld be fvery specyfic, as they both knows their moves. And I feel, that Kenobi would be better suited to use it for his advantage.

Originally posted by Selenial
👆

Perfect example of why no one cares about his monologues in that novel.

It's when I make posts on IOS, nothing I can really do about it I'm afraid 🙁

Ok this works now.

There is the line:

"It was a boys expression of anger. But it was true."

So that's why quoting sometimes doesn't work?

Originally posted by McP
And I would say that he can't. Not comfortably I mean. Even as a bounty hunter, Kenobi did a great job against Anakin in a physical fight. Kenobi is inferior to Anakin overall, but that fight between them woulld be fvery specyfic, as they both knows their moves. And I feel, that Kenobi would be better suited to use it for his advantage.

That fight was ridiculous like a lot of them from TCW.

This was before both their peaks at ROTS and it was mostly a hand to hand fight.

Even if Kenobi knows what to expect it won't serve him for long on neutral ground.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Ok this works now.

There is the line:

"It was a boys expression of anger. But it was true."

So that's why quoting sometimes doesn't work?

It's an interesting line, but I've never held it in any esteem. Mace and Kenobi both count among those masters, and I don't really see the logic that a pre Invisible Hand Anakin could handle 10 council members without a Lightsaber.

But yeh, I think so. iPhone apostrophes are the culprit, I believe.

(Side note though, do you intend to reply to my point or are we agreeing to disagree here)

Originally posted by Selenial
It's an interesting line, but I've never held it in any esteem. Mace and Kenobi both count among those masters, and I don't really see the logic that a pre Invisible Hand Anakin could handle 10 council members without a Lightsaber.

But yeh, I think so. iPhone apostrophes are the culprit, I believe.

(Side note though, do you intend to reply to my point or are we agreeing to disagree here)

I quoted that line in reference to Anakin's multiple claims in the novel. The specific line of Anakin saying he's more powerful than anyone on the Council being true is from Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines.

Which one? I don't see Shaak Ti in general being near Mace or Obi-Wan just going by feats. Shaak Ti's most impressive accolades are well, only accolades. In terms of her feats there isn't much that would place her as top tier.

Team 1

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
I quoted that line in reference to Anakin's multiple claims in the novel. The specific line of Anakin saying he's more powerful than anyone on the Council being true is from Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines.

Which one? I don't see Shaak Ti in general being near Mace or Obi-Wan just going by feats. Shaak Ti's most impressive accolades are well, only accolades. In terms of her feats there isn't much that would place her as top tier.

My mistake.

I don't see her as near Mace either. I don't think there's a monumental gap between her, Plo and Kenobi, but there's still a noticeable gap. My point wasn't ever to argue that she was their equal. I was merely questioning the notion that Kit has better accolades in the ROTS novel, because that's unequivocally false. In regards to your response, I was merely curious what you thought of the quote referencing her with Dooku, Mace and Depa. I've seen the point on 'it refers to style' before, curious to see if you or others would defend it when looking at the context.

FWIW, if you or anyone thinks Fisto > Ti strongly enough to debate it, I'm down.

Originally posted by Selenial
My mistake.

I don't see her as near Mace either. I don't think there's a monumental gap between her, Plo and Kenobi, but there's still a noticeable gap. My point wasn't ever to argue that she was their equal. I was merely questioning the notion that Kit has better accolades in the ROTS novel, because that's unequivocally false. In regards to your response, I was merely curious what you thought of the quote referencing her with Dooku, Mace and Depa. I've seen the point on 'it refers to style' before, curious to see if you or others would defend it when looking at the context.

FWIW, if you or anyone thinks Fisto > Ti strongly enough to debate it, I'm down.

Originally posted by CactusJoe
lets debate it you open

no tho