Do you think SJWs are a legitimate problem?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And I'm not going to defend the alt-right, they're horrible as well and also a social ill.

Here's the thing though, I don't feel any partisan need to defend myself from people shitting on the alt-right... because I'm not an identitarian weirdo.

And that's really the thing, the criticism of SJWs doesn't apply to all leftists, and the criticism of the alt-right doesn't apply to all on the right, because the problem being discussed with these groups isn't a matter of left-wing versus right-wing, it's a matter of identitarian collectivism vs individualism. Libertarians, typical conservatives, classical liberals, and social liberals do not bear the brunt of either of these criticisms because they do not push an ideology based primarily around identity groups and instead believe in judging individuals as individuals and not bringing a person's identity into it.

For me the problem is it seems that, more often than not, the left is more willing to tolerate its extreme elements than the right is. You're more likely to see Antifa get defended than the alt right.

White Liberals Present Themselves as Less Competent in Interactions with African-Americans

An interesting article.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
-Children being pushed into hormonal treatment to change their genders
-rape accusations being handled on college campuses without presumption of innocence
-people losing out on jobs they deserve because of shitty diversity quotas
-people getting fired or forced to resign from jobs they earned because... idk... their wife said the university shouldn't regulate halloween costumes or they pointed out that men and women differ psychologically on average... or some random ******* on their campus drew a poop swastika
-people are in academic positions who will teach racist ideology like "all white people are racist", or publish academic papers that are rewrites of mein kampf
-free speech platforms on the internet, such as Gab and Bitchute, being under constant attack via media slander and deplatforming
-Someone like Jordan Peterson, whether you like his views or not he is not a racist and he has helped people turn their lives around and even helped a decent number of people not commit suicide, has been repeatedly slandered by the media as alt-right despite his repeated critiques and moral repudiation of the alt-right, and he's not alone.
-students at Evergreen college were able to hold their faculty hostage basically... over one teacher saying he wouldn't participate in white people leave campus day
-several violent riots
-suppression of free speech on college campus via heckler's veto, disruption of events, a chilling effect on people who might otherwise speak on college campuses due to threat of violence, a requirement of exorbitant security fees for some speakers because of threats of violence, several students being afraid to say what they actually think

And this is just what they do in America, where luckily we have a first amendment, rule of law, and not weird open borders shit. In other countries it's a lot worse.

In Canada for example, Justin Trudeau appointed his cabinet, some of the most important positions in Canada, on the basis of diversity rather than pure merit. Trudeau's recent economic plan was heavily focused on the wage gap myth when there are several other real and more serious economic problems that require attention. You can get arrested for hate speech for protesting a mosque that has an Imam and his audience singing "Allah please kill those filthy Jews." In fact just the existence of hate speech laws and laws like Bill C-16 in general is horrible.

In the UK you can get arrested and charged a heavy fine for making a comedic video with a pug doing nazi shit, or get arrested and put on parole for posting rap lyrics with the N-word to honor a dead child. In the UK police have been afraid to actually deal with Muslim rape gangs due to fear of being labeled racist. Money is being poured into a police hub specifically for the purpose of police monitoring social media to arrest people for saying offensive things on the internet... all the while their police are falling short in a lot of other serious areas involving violent crime and terrorism. According to Sadiq Khan he didn't have enough resources for the police to keep tabs on people who had returned to the UK from terrorist organizations, but he has money to spend on increasing police regulation of offensive speech on the internet. And the British government has repeatedly and intentionally put Tommy Robinson's life in danger by putting him in the same prison area as people who obviously want to murder him. Not to mention the fact that the BBC used taxpayer money to feature a transgender woman in a video basically sponsored by the British government where she said shit like "white people are the most destructive force of nature on the planet," something that shouldn't be subsidized by the British taxpayer.

And in a lot of other European countries there are similar examples.

So yes, SJWs carry serious problems and consequences with them that go beyond throwing milk in somebody's face. Problems you can't just hand wave by saying "but the alt-right shot people."

-Where is this actually happening?
-That is a problem, but it's not worse than being murdered. You can defend yourself from a false rape accusation, you can't do much if you've been murdered. These false rape allegations are hardly pandemic
-Not a fan of Affirmative Action, I understand why it happened, but it's flawed. Also, rather not get hired due to BS polices than be murdered.
-Not good, again, hardly a pandemic of this going around and I'd rather be fired over BS than murdered.
-Teachers shouldn't teach that, but I'd take that over being murdered as well, as a living person can reject such falsehoods.
-Hardly closed down because of Social Justice? But I'd take not being able to post on Gab over being murdered.
-I'm pretty sure precious Jordan Peterson would rather be called mean names than be murdered. He can retort and defend himself while alive; can't if he's been 187'd. I certainty would.
-While Evergreen was a hot silly mess. Hardly compares to being murdered.
-You'll have to name these specifically, to vague to reply to.
-As you already know, I don't agree with people not being allowed to speak on campuses if invited. But I'd take being forced out of a talk over being murdered any day of the week. I'm sure someone like Milo of Shapiro would as well.

I'm not in Canada or the UK.

Wasn't hand-waving. Noting differences and extremes.

Originally posted by Surtur
For me the problem is it seems that, more often than not, the left is more willing to tolerate its extreme elements than the right is. You're more likely to see Antifa get defended than the alt right.

^Guy who literally defended the Alt-Right via deflection and equalization tactics in the Charlottesville thread. Too funny

Says the GUY who calls Everything Alt Right. That and Cult of Trump. Robbie needs a new imagination.

Originally posted by Robtard
^Guy who literally defended the Alt-Right via deflection and equalization tactics in the Charlottesville thread. Too funny

Saying "Antifa is bad too" is not defending the alt right kiddo.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Where is this actually happening?
-That is a problem, but it's not worse than being murdered. You can defend yourself from a false rape accusation, you can't do much if you've been murdered. These false rape allegations are hardly pandemic
-Not a fan of Affirmative Action, I understand why it happened, but it's flawed. Also, rather not get hired due to BS polices than be murdered.
-Not good, again, hardly a pandemic of this going around and I'd rather be fired over BS than murdered.
-Teachers shouldn't teach that, but I'd take that over being murdered as well, as a living person can reject such falsehoods.
-Hardly closed down because of Social Justice? But I'd take not being able to post on Gab over being murdered.
-I'm pretty sure precious Jordan Peterson would rather be called mean names than be murdered. He can retort and defend himself while alive; can't if he's been 187'd. I certainty would.
-While Evergreen was a hot silly mess. Hardly compares to being murdered.
-You'll have to name these specifically, to vague to reply to.
-As you already know, I don't agree with people not being allowed to speak on campuses if invited. But I'd take being forced out of a talk over being murdered any day of the week. I'm sure someone like Milo of Shapiro would as well.

I'm not in Canada or the UK.

Wasn't hand-waving. Noting differences and extremes.

The question is if SJW's are a legit problem *not* if the harm they do is worse than murder.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Says the GUY who calls Everything Alt Right. That and Cult of Trump. Robbie needs a new imagination. [/B]

Did he ever explain how the Daily Wire is alt right? I'm guessing no.

Originally posted by Surtur
Did he ever explain how the Daily Wire is alt right? I'm guessing no.

Originally posted by Surtur
Saying "Antifa is bad too" is not defending the alt right kiddo.

It is when you're deflecting away from a bunch of torch wielding racist to make them appear less shitty, Surt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh Surt still under the false assumption anyone has to explain anything to a shit poster.

^ Bingo.

He also thinks I'm going to play his silly games, pretty funny.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
-Children being pushed into hormonal treatment to change their genders
-rape accusations being handled on college campuses without presumption of innocence
-people losing out on jobs they deserve because of shitty diversity quotas
-people getting fired or forced to resign from jobs they earned because... idk... their wife said the university shouldn't regulate halloween costumes or they pointed out that men and women differ psychologically on average... or some random ******* on their campus drew a poop swastika
-people are in academic positions who will teach racist ideology like "all white people are racist", or publish academic papers that are rewrites of mein kampf
-free speech platforms on the internet, such as Gab and Bitchute, being under constant attack via media slander and deplatforming
-Someone like Jordan Peterson, whether you like his views or not he is not a racist and he has helped people turn their lives around and even helped a decent number of people not commit suicide, has been repeatedly slandered by the media as alt-right despite his repeated critiques and moral repudiation of the alt-right, and he's not alone.
-students at Evergreen college were able to hold their faculty hostage basically... over one teacher saying he wouldn't participate in white people leave campus day
-several violent riots
-suppression of free speech on college campus via heckler's veto, disruption of events, a chilling effect on people who might otherwise speak on college campuses due to threat of violence, a requirement of exorbitant security fees for some speakers because of threats of violence, several students being afraid to say what they actually think

And this is just what they do in America, where luckily we have a first amendment, rule of law, and not weird open borders shit. In other countries it's a lot worse.

In Canada for example, Justin Trudeau appointed his cabinet, some of the most important positions in Canada, on the basis of diversity rather than pure merit. Trudeau's recent economic plan was heavily focused on the wage gap myth when there are several other real and more serious economic problems that require attention. You can get arrested for hate speech for protesting a mosque that has an Imam and his audience singing "Allah please kill those filthy Jews." In fact just the existence of hate speech laws and laws like Bill C-16 in general is horrible.

In the UK you can get arrested and charged a heavy fine for making a comedic video with a pug doing nazi shit, or get arrested and put on parole for posting rap lyrics with the N-word to honor a dead child. In the UK police have been afraid to actually deal with Muslim rape gangs due to fear of being labeled racist. Money is being poured into a police hub specifically for the purpose of police monitoring social media to arrest people for saying offensive things on the internet... all the while their police are falling short in a lot of other serious areas involving violent crime and terrorism. According to Sadiq Khan he didn't have enough resources for the police to keep tabs on people who had returned to the UK from terrorist organizations, but he has money to spend on increasing police regulation of offensive speech on the internet. And the British government has repeatedly and intentionally put Tommy Robinson's life in danger by putting him in the same prison area as people who obviously want to murder him. Not to mention the fact that the BBC used taxpayer money to feature a transgender woman in a video basically sponsored by the British government where she said shit like "white people are the most destructive force of nature on the planet," something that shouldn't be subsidized by the British taxpayer.

And in a lot of other European countries there are similar examples.

So yes, SJWs carry serious problems and consequences with them that go beyond throwing milk in somebody's face. Problems you can't just hand wave by saying "but the alt-right shot people."

I didn't read your post but did you list the continued murders of minorities and the left swindling minorities?

If we want to go by body counts due to policies and influence, sure, the left has the right beat by a landslide.

If the left cared about the minorities, we'd see much better outcomes than we see, now.

But, hey, disproportionately targeting minorities for abortions is the righteous thing to do, correct? Because killing colored babies is such a good thing to do, correct?

Originally posted by Robtard
^ Bingo.

He also thinks I'm going to play his silly games, pretty funny.

I love that you can't explain how they're alt right. Good stuff.

I love how "back up the shit that comes out your mouth" is now a silly game too btw. Good thing people don't get banned here for not doing so 🙂

robtard and co. miss the point, you can't come to accurate conclusions about proper policy when X and Y arguments are disallowed for being offensive rather than wrong

Originally posted by Surtur
I love that you can't explain how they're alt right. Good stuff.

I love how "back up the shit that comes out your mouth" is now a silly game too btw. Good thing people don't get banned here for not doing so 🙂

They don't totally agree with me on Everything..

THEY ALT RIGHT!!!!!

Yep. Perfect Robbie Impersonation.

Originally posted by Robtard

-As you already know, I don't agree with people not being allowed to speak on campuses if invited. But I'd take being forced out of a talk over being murdered any day of the week. I'm sure someone like Milo of Shapiro would as well.

Buddy, in an astoundingly quick fashion, the former leads to the latter. Once people start justifying who can say what, where, and when? Lines in the sand start getting drawn and the people you REALLY DON'T want deciding who speaks, end up deciding who does...which well, *points to a 20th century history textbook*.

You are doing yourself a disservice if you don't attempt to understand the thought process that allows someone to decide "NO, you don't get to SPEAK! What you're saying is something I disagree with, and so you need to be ripped from the stage!"

Roaming mobs on campus looking for a Professor on campus only end one way tbh.

Most countries already have well placed laws on speech that limit inciting violence against others etc. They work remarkably well as they are and have brought us this far.

There's talk about white feminism now. Images of women carrying signs saying "Remember, white women voted for Trump", videos of white speakers being shouted at by LGBT feminists, resulting in shouting match's.

The frustrating thing, is it's hard to tell if this is really news, or just isolated things blown up by capitalistic talking heads and media outlets.

There's probably SOMETHING here, but is it a movement? And if so, who's running this movement? Is it from within feminist circles, or the result of new disaffected people? And who's funding them, if anybody?

The last part is the worst of all.. Someone, somewhere, always funds movements. They don't always do it for altruistic reasons, even if a movement started purely with the best of intentions. *Places tin foil hat on head*' For example, if you wanted to inhibit a movement, maybe you'd fund an opposition movement to create a divide in their solidarity?

Originally posted by Valkorion
robtard and co. miss the point, you can't come to accurate conclusions about proper policy when X and Y arguments are disallowed for being offensive rather than wrong

^ Starwars kid is strawmanning again. No one said legitimate arguments should be silenced

Originally posted by Robtard
^ Starwars kid is strawmanning again. No one said legitimate arguments should be silenced

Except for the side that wants to get rid of Free Speech, which would be the Left.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b] Except for the side that wants to get rid of Free Speech, which would be the Left. [/B]