Originally posted by CactusJoe
he didn't say it was reflective of overall power, he mentioned it in conjunction with other feats/accolades to pain plagueis as the more powerful. stop strawmanning the **** out of him lmao
Maybe it's time to add yourself to that list of retarded users 👆
Originally posted by RealistRacism
We're talking about lightsabers-only, so the mention of this one ability is irrelevant, unless it was supposed to reflect Plagueis' overall power.Maybe it's time to add yourself to that list of retarded users 👆
Originally posted by RealistRacism
Except it doesn't though. He listed a single ability, not a feat with said ability, that doesn't reflect power on it's own or in conjunction with a blurb and a showing that took an eternity of prep + another force wielder.
yeah, dueling ability is heavily linked to force power, and different force abilities are generally correlated; someone who is very good with lots of force powers is probably really good at dueling augmentation too.
In this case, Plagueis is not only cosmically really powerful but he can also master a very potent force technique to an unprecedented degree while having at least one accolade saying he’s the strongest sith to his point ever - and he’s described as an expert duelist.
also on my phone so this prob reads awkwardly
Originally posted by CactusJoe
so someone being skilled with midichlorian manipulation and having unbalanced the force, regardless of time spent + another force wielde helping him, doesn't indicate his immense power? what does it reflect then? that hes good at making cheeseburgers?
We've reached peak semantics now, lmao.
@Elim
Of course it is, I've never denied this fact. Plagueis doesn't really have 'lots of force powers' though, does he... Aside from Midi-chlorion manipulation, he has the standard abilities afforded to any random dark acolyte.
Ancients have mastered potent force techniques that Plagueis doesn't even know about, and they're all sub-Ventress in sabers here. They too share many power-related accolades, maybe not one such as the single most powerful (barring the retconned Kun and Vitiate quotes), but enough to imply a placing among the top 10. Lots of characters are described as expert duelists.
Originally posted by RealistRacism
He never mentioned 'skill', implying that merely using the ability was a feat/indicative of great power, which I disagree with. The extent to which Plagueis used it could be, but that's not what he said. In any case, there are powerful telepaths who have lesser TK showings, telekinetics who aren't great telepaths etc.We've reached peak semantics now, lmao.
Originally posted by RealistRacism
He mentioned the ability, not feats with the ability. He's stating that using the power and those other feats makes him more powerful than Caedus. I dispute that using midi-chlorion manipulation makes him more powerful than Caedus. You sperg out.You're an idiot.
Originally posted by RealistRacism
You completely misunderstood what I was saying. The ability being a reason for his superiority to Caedus is dumb, not that that is the sole determinant. Whether it's in conjunction with other stuff is irrelevant, since it's not a factor in determining power at all.