Darth Caedus vs. Darth Plagueis (Sabers)

Started by RealistRacism4 pages

Originally posted by CactusJoe
he didn't say it was reflective of overall power, he mentioned it in conjunction with other feats/accolades to pain plagueis as the more powerful. stop strawmanning the **** out of him lmao

We're talking about lightsabers-only, so the mention of this one ability is irrelevant, unless it was supposed to reflect Plagueis' overall power.

Maybe it's time to add yourself to that list of retarded users 👆

Originally posted by RealistRacism
We're talking about lightsabers-only, so the mention of this one ability is irrelevant, unless it was supposed to reflect Plagueis' overall power.

Maybe it's time to add yourself to that list of retarded users 👆


it reflects his overall power in conjunction with the other stuff he mentioned

Except it doesn't though. He listed a single ability, not a feat with said ability, that doesn't reflect power on it's own or in conjunction with a blurb and a showing that took an eternity of prep + another force wielder.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
Except it doesn't though. He listed a single ability, not a feat with said ability, that doesn't reflect power on it's own or in conjunction with a blurb and a showing that took an eternity of prep + another force wielder.

so someone being skilled with midichlorian manipulation and having unbalanced the force, regardless of time spent + another force wielde helping him, doesn't indicate his immense power? what does it reflect then? that hes good at making cheeseburgers?

yeah, dueling ability is heavily linked to force power, and different force abilities are generally correlated; someone who is very good with lots of force powers is probably really good at dueling augmentation too.

In this case, Plagueis is not only cosmically really powerful but he can also master a very potent force technique to an unprecedented degree while having at least one accolade saying he’s the strongest sith to his point ever - and he’s described as an expert duelist.

also on my phone so this prob reads awkwardly

Originally posted by CactusJoe
so someone being skilled with midichlorian manipulation and having unbalanced the force, regardless of time spent + another force wielde helping him, doesn't indicate his immense power? what does it reflect then? that hes good at making cheeseburgers?

He never mentioned 'skill', implying that merely using the ability was a feat/indicative of great power, which I disagree with. The extent to which Plagueis used it could be, but that's not what he said. In any case, there are powerful telepaths who have lesser TK showings, telekinetics who aren't great telepaths etc.

We've reached peak semantics now, lmao.

@Elim
Of course it is, I've never denied this fact. Plagueis doesn't really have 'lots of force powers' though, does he... Aside from Midi-chlorion manipulation, he has the standard abilities afforded to any random dark acolyte.

Ancients have mastered potent force techniques that Plagueis doesn't even know about, and they're all sub-Ventress in sabers here. They too share many power-related accolades, maybe not one such as the single most powerful (barring the retconned Kun and Vitiate quotes), but enough to imply a placing among the top 10. Lots of characters are described as expert duelists.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
He never mentioned 'skill', implying that merely using the ability was a feat/indicative of great power, which I disagree with. The extent to which Plagueis used it could be, but that's not what he said. In any case, there are powerful telepaths who have lesser TK showings, telekinetics who aren't great telepaths etc.

We've reached peak semantics now, lmao.


you're complaining about semantics AND complaining that he didn't specify plagueis' feats with midichlorian manipulation you're well aware of his feats with them, and let's not act as if it would have changed your mind anyway i also have no idea about the relevance of your last two sentences. i never said that plagueis was more powerful than caedus, let alone more powerful based on midichlorian manipulation alone goddamn illeterate monkey foh

He mentioned the ability, not feats with the ability. He's stating that using the power and those other feats makes him more powerful than Caedus. I dispute that using midi-chlorion manipulation makes him more powerful than Caedus. You sperg out.

You're an idiot.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
He mentioned the ability, not feats with the ability. He's stating that using the power and those other feats makes him more powerful than Caedus. I dispute that using midi-chlorion manipulation makes him more powerful than Caedus. You sperg out.

You're an idiot.


good thing no one claimed using midi-chlorian manipulation makes someone more powerful than caedus

Ellimist literally did, which is what I was responding to. Lmfao, you're dumber than Kbro now.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
Ellimist literally did, which is what I was responding to. Lmfao, you're dumber than Kbro now.

he mentioned it in conjunction with other stuff i've already explained this you dumb retard but all good keep thinking that repeating yourself is gonna help you

You completely misunderstood what I was saying. The ability being a reason for his superiority to Caedus is dumb, I never misunderstood it as Ellim claiming it was the sole determinant. Whether it's in conjunction with other stuff is irrelevant, since it's not a factor in determining power at all.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
You completely misunderstood what I was saying. The ability being a reason for his superiority to Caedus is dumb, not that that is the sole determinant. Whether it's in conjunction with other stuff is irrelevant, since it's not a factor in determining power at all.

you're grasping on straws now boi and yes it is, every force power that someone has is a factor in determining their power that's logic for 5 year olds especially midichlorian manipulation which is a rare and presumably difficult power to master

Range of force powers doesn't determine power, no.

Especially midichlorian manipulation which is a rare and presumably difficult power to master

Speaks to natural aptitude with the ability, not some God-like actualised power.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
Range of force powers doesn't determine power, no.

perhaps not ''determine'' as in someone who has 6 powers is automatically > someone with 5 powers, but it obviously indicates an important point to bring up when discussing power

Originally posted by RealistRacism
Speaks to natural aptitude with the ability, not some God-like actualised power.

no one is calling plagueis a god

Really? It's pertinent to bring up next to an 'unbalancing the force' feat and a "Most Powerful" quote? Lmao.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
Really? It's pertinent to bring up next to an 'unbalancing the force' feat and a "Most Powerful" quote? Lmao.

so you're saying ellimist thinks plagueis is a god i'll let him answer that one i've done my job