CW: John Constantine vs Damien Darhk (Read OP)

Yeah its basically speed thats the main issue for John.

That little fire he threw at Micks foot was pretty instantaneous though.

Yeah, but we don't really know what the max power of that spell is yet, so it's hard to say exactly how effective it would be in a fight. I doubt he was trying to do more than annoy Mick, so probably didn't put a lot of juice into it, but we won't know until we see him use it again.

^ Oh of course.

Just thought it shows he can do some fire stuff on the fly, as I doubt he prepped for that earlier lol.

Yeah, seemed like he just saw another opportunity to troll Mick. He seems to really enjoy antagonising him.

On a random note, were there technically actually two versions of Darhk, due to time travel shenanigans?

Because he was originally born in the 18th century and was then killed in 2016 by Oliver. But then resurrected in the 19th century and then died again in 1992, when he sacrificed himself for his daughter. But, as far as I know, the main time line is still intact, so Darhk still died in 2016 (otherwise there would be no reason to resurrect him). But also died in 1992.

And there is a notable difference. Darhk originally needed to draw on that stone idol for his power and make blood sacrifices to it. After being brought back to life, he no longer had that dependency.

But this would also mean that there were two of them running around at the same time at one point, one with powers and one without. Time travel makes things really complicated.

^ I wouldnt put too much thought into it. Given the CW dont.

I mean its just funny as hell that Reverse Flash is still around. But who cares, hes still great.

Well, RF basically has time travel plot armour. Because no matter how many times he gets killed at various points, there always still needs to be one in the far future to kick off all the events that lead to Barry getting his powers, so there will always be one that can potentially pop up any time, anywhere, because of that.

^^^Good reading...👆

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, RF basically has time travel plot armour. Because no matter how many times he gets killed at various points, there always still needs to be one in the far future to kick off all the events that lead to Barry getting his powers, so there will always be one that can potentially pop up any time, anywhere, because of that.

Lol we literally saw him vanish twice. Once being erased from the timeline and once where he was erased from reality itself.

And the last time he showed up all the explanation we got was - I just dont die.

But yeah I get it with the alternate timeline one existing in this timeline to give Barry his powers. Very creative CW. And yet Constantine cant even kick his dad in the balls without a time paradox stopping him 😬

That bit with Constantine made no sense in the wider context of what we've seen. If time was so good at fixing itself like that (which it never is in these shows on any other occasion), the Legends and the Time Bureau wouldn't be needed.

And regarding RF, they said in the past that the more important and big events are, the more cemented they generally are. And considering everything Barry has done (including saving the multiverse), him existing is a pretty big thing. Plus, IIRC, Thawne explained that it was tales about the Flash that were his original inspirations. So, they've actually kind of created a loop where one kind of creates the other one who kind of creates the first one again, and so forth. Hence, literal time travel plot armour.

Didnt he just accelerate when the Barry becomes the Flash though?

Iirc the original wells would have made the particle accelerator and created the Flash a few years later, but RF wanted to speed the process up so he could use Flash to get home.

I cant remember the time he was originally supposed to be created but im sure we are past that by now given hes supposed to disappear in a “Crisis” in 2021 I think?

Five, is the number of years most commonly accepted by most fans and sites that have researched the issue.
So we are basically AT, or just past (earlier this year) the time, in which Barry would have gotten his powers w.out interference.

I can't recall the details on that myself. Been a while since I have watched those episodes.

The point is though that even if it's true, RF did go back in time, did kill Barry's mom, and did accelerate the process. And then everything else mentioned happened. If RF doesn't go back in time, things can't play out the way they have in the time line we are in now. As long as this time line stays relatively stable and Barry's history doesn't change, RF has to exist in some form at some point in time, alive and well, for that to happen.

And I doubt the writers will wipe out the current time line for the purposes of giving themselves one less character to use. It makes no sense. Especially after they already did Flashpoint.

Edit: I see Riv responded to the time thing.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Edit: I see Riv responded to the time thing.
He’s awesome.

Of course none of that should be an issue with the new rule they just brought in out of nowhere for a cheap joke - Constantine not being able to kick his dad in the balls.

Eddie Thawne should never have been able to kill himself. And his Suicide wouldnt have been needed anyway as RF shouldnt have been capable of killing Flash.

Its a ‘I’m my own Grandpa/Chewbacca Defense’ mash up from HELL.