Originally posted by Robtard
But why feel bad for them? Those people should really know better by now.Or as Bush once so eloquently put it: "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."
If a person doesn't know better, I don't consider it to be their fault. If they're unwilling to learn, though, that's on them.
So Rob and Putin, you 2 see nothing wrong when a special group elects leader without the people say so? The EU elected a President behind close doors, and no one knew about till it was over. And like I said, that was one of Farage strongest talking point.
Funny enough, the Uk went against the Monarchy because the elites controlled everything. And the US separated from the Empire because the elite few was making laws that did not benefit them.
Originally posted by -Pr-
If a person doesn't know better, I don't consider it to be their fault. If they're unwilling to learn, though, that's on them.
Agreed. But with Brexit, how long have these people have had to "learn", how many more times do they get to ignore that Johnson's a conman, granted, a talented one. But still.
Originally posted by SquallX
So Rob and Putin, you 2 see nothing wrong when a special group elects leader without the people say so? The EU elected a President behind close doors, and no one knew about till it was over. And like I said, that was one of Farage strongest talking point.Funny enough, the Uk went against the Monarchy because the elites controlled everything. And the US separated from the Empire because the elite few was making laws that did not benefit them.
My response was confusion in what you asked me pertaining to what I said.
Originally posted by -Pr-So now we’re in the new world order. The time has come for those who wanted Brexit to finally take responsibility for it. Let’s hope they can make a success of it.
In a broader sense, the UK will probably be fine (though it looks like Scotland might actually pull away this time). It would be more convincing, though, if they weren't so desperate to still have access to the parts of the EU they liked.A clean break is one thing, but this is anything but.
Anyone who really thinks Johnson is going to funnel all that money back (that's mostly been wasted anyway) in to the coffers of the common man, though? I feel bad for you.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
So now we’re in the new world order. The time has come for those who wanted Brexit to finally take responsibility for it. Let’s hope they can make a success of it.
That's going to be a one-way road, my friend.
-If the Brexiters are somehow able to deliver on their pro Brexist promises and the UK flourishes, they'll take 100% of the credit and that's fair enough.
-If the UK economy goes into the shitter even more because of Brexit, they will pass 100% of the blame to everyone/anyone not themselves.
Originally posted by Robtard
Agreed. But with Brexit, how long have these people have had to "learn", how many more times do they get to ignore that Johnson's a conman, granted, a talented one. But still.
Hey, if he's a talented conman, then it stands to reason that some people are going to be taken in by him.
The big test is going to be what happens when they're actually out of the EU, and people start asking where all that money is that was supposed to be poured in to the NHS. Politicians make promises all the time; it's when they actually get the power that they usually get exposed imo.
When the EU doesn't bend to their demands for market access (because really, at this point it would be a miracle if they do), and when Ireland doesn't give them the border THEY want, you'll start to see even more cracks forming. Sure, there will always be those people that can't admit they're wrong, but I think we will start to see public perception shift.
Of course, there's always the small chance that the Parliament will get the market access they want, the border they want, and might actually keep some of their promises. I mean, it's unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
So now we’re in the new world order. The time has come for those who wanted Brexit to finally take responsibility for it. Let’s hope they can make a success of it.
Indeed.
Originally posted by SquallX
So Rob and Putin, you 2 see nothing wrong when a special group elects leader without the people say so? The EU elected a President behind close doors, and no one knew about till it was over. And like I said, that was one of Farage strongest talking point.Funny enough, the Uk went against the Monarchy because the elites controlled everything. And the US separated from the Empire because the elite few was making laws that did not benefit them.
I wouldn't bother trying to reason with the sore losers. They have it set in their ignorant minds that nationalism = bad, globalism = good. If you're a nationalist and want strong borders/immigration laws then you're a nazi who loves Hitler.
Doesn't matter if globalist policies are screwing your country over; if you hate globalist policies then you're obviously just a racist lol. You can't reason with morons who think stupid shit like that so I wouldn't waste my time trying if I were you. They'll just end up calling you a racist as well... doesn't matter if you're not a white person.
If you love your country and want it to be independent and determine its own destiny then it's obvious you must love Adolf Hitler. Just accept it. Because we all know the idea of borders and nationalism was never ever a thing before Hitler came along lol. 🙄
Originally posted by -Pr-
Hey, if he's a talented conman, then it stands to reason that some people are going to be taken in by him.The big test is going to be what happens when they're actually out of the EU, and people start asking where all that money is that was supposed to be poured in to the NHS. Politicians make promises all the time; it's when they actually get the power that they usually get exposed imo.
When the EU doesn't bend to their demands for market access (because really, at this point it would be a miracle if they do), and when Ireland doesn't give them the border THEY want, you'll start to see even more cracks forming. Sure, there will always be those people that can't admit they're wrong, but I think we will start to see public perception shift.
Of course, there's always the small chance that the Parliament will get the market access they want, the border they want, and might actually keep some of their promises. I mean, it's unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Indeed.
Fair enough.
I have doubts though, imo, it's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. ie Your 3rd paragraphs is the more likely outcome.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough.I have doubts though, imo, it's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. ie Your 3rd paragraphs is the more likely outcome.
I expect that to happen too. I'm just not discounting a miracle is all.
Originally posted by Badabing
This question is for people who are from the UK. Why are some of you against the Brexit? As an American, I would not want other countries meddling in decisions for my country. Is it just for the unity of Europe, or something else?
Not from the UK, but in the EU. Basically, people outside of Europe seem to grossly overestimate just how much power the EU has. For the most part, the EU doesn't set national policy in countries. It isn't active at any kind of local level, and the day-to-day life of most people in the EU is completely unaffected by being in the EU.
The benefits, however, are things like the market access. Having an EU passport (which is a pretty big boon). Financial support in times of recession. In general terms, being in the EU brings more benefits than being outside of it.
Sure, that might change, but it hasn't yet.
Originally posted by -Pr-I will simply use my Republic of Ireland Passport travelling to Europe and probably most places, my UK passport will just get linked to work Visa's.
Hey, if he's a talented conman, then it stands to reason that some people are going to be taken in by him.The big test is going to be what happens when they're actually out of the EU, and people start asking where all that money is that was supposed to be poured in to the NHS. Politicians make promises all the time; it's when they actually get the power that they usually get exposed imo.
When the EU doesn't bend to their demands for market access (because really, at this point it would be a miracle if they do), and when Ireland doesn't give them the border THEY want, you'll start to see even more cracks forming. Sure, there will always be those people that can't admit they're wrong, but I think we will start to see public perception shift.
Of course, there's always the small chance that the Parliament will get the market access they want, the border they want, and might actually keep some of their promises. I mean, it's unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Indeed.
I still don't get it, leaving a group of peers to become Trumps poodle because you don't like Black people? Silliest situation ever.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I will simply use my Republic of Ireland Passport travelling to Europe and probably most places my UK passport will just get linked to work Visa's.I still don't get it, leaving a group of peers to become Trumps poodle because you don't like Black people? Silliest situation ever.
They're saying Irish passports are about to become pretty valuable. Especially with poor Northern Ireland about to get utterly ****ed.