Originally posted by dadudemon
No, my point was mean to be taken as directly as possible.Establishment breakers are almost universally c*nts. They have to be...to accomplish what they want.
Benjamin Franklin was generally a giant c*nt and was one of the major figures driving the American Revolution. So was Madison, Jefferson, and especially Adams: massive c*nts.
Look through histories on successful revolutions and overthrows. C*nts the whole way up and down.
And why is that? Because a mother f*cker has to be mad enough to say, "F*ck you, f*ck this, f*ck that, f*ck them, I'm out." And then actually be a big enough c*nt to do something about it.
Oh, I see what you mean. All right.
I'm not going to assume you were actually comparing Farage to people like Franklin, Jefferson and Adams, but are instead using them as examples because that would be... As much as I hate to use the word, problematic.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, I see what you mean. All right.I'm not going to assume you were actually comparing Farage to people like Franklin, Jefferson and Adams, but are instead using them as examples because that would be... As much as I hate to use the word, problematic.
Nope, he's as close to as comparable to a modern revolutionary as we can get in a first world country.
What, did you think Franklin was elevated above the masses on a righteous platitude of beneficence? Or was he a giant, arrogant, intelligent, c*nt who got shit done?
I'll give you a hint: Franklin was known for his c*ntiness. And Jefferson raped the shit out of his own slaves making lots of mulattoes. These are not the idealistic people commonly taught and known about. Revolutionaries usually commit atrocities along the way. Farage is a lightweight but a legit revolutionary, overthrowing the establishment (EU) in his crusade. He started his journey to Brexit a long ass time ago: so long that you and I didn't even have pubes yet.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Not sure Nelson Mandela would agree.
Oh, so he got shit done with literally nothing, no plan, and no organization? Just, poof, overnight, he overthrew everything without his own establishment? Just whipped everyone up into a frenzy and took over everything? Zero power and influence, right?
Or was he part of an establishment?
Hint: he was literally part of the establishment. He was the establishment. Poor choice to make your example.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nope, he's as close to as comparable to a modern revolutionary as we can get in a first world country.What, did you think Franklin was elevated above the masses on a righteous platitude of beneficence? Or was he a giant, arrogant, intelligent, c*nt who got shit done?
I'll give you a hint: Franklin was known for his c*ntiness. And Jefferson raped the shit out of his own slaves making lots of mulattoes. These are not the idealistic people commonly taught and known about. Revolutionaries usually commit atrocities along the way. Farage is a lightweight but a legit revolutionary, overthrowing the establishment (EU) in his crusade. He started his journey to Brexit a long ass time ago: so long that you and I didn't even have pubes yet.
I've read that about them, yes. My questions are thus: As cunty as those men were, is there not at least some indication that they did what they did for the benefit of the people at large? If not, how can what they did be painted as a positive? Or is this a case of "shit done for bad reasons turned out right in the end"?
Farage doesn't give one solid **** about the wellness of Britain. Nothing I've seen of the man says to me that he did anything he's done out of any kind of belief that he was doing the right thing. This is a man that thinks that either the British Empire is still a thing, or that if it's not, that it could be again. You can call him a patriot, but I think he honestly dirties that word.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, so he got shit done with literally nothing, no plan, and no organization? Just, poof, overnight, he overthrew everything without his own establishment? Just whipped everyone up into a frenzy and took over everything? Zero power and influence, right?Or was he part of an establishment?
Hint: he was literally part of the establishment. He was the establishment. Poor choice to make your example.
You wouldn't have to be doing these silly dances and goalpost moving if you just accepted that you didn't know Nigel Farage was as establishment as they come.
Now you're in the position where you're saying the inheritance-rich, privately educated banker and politician is anti establishment and the near 30 year imprisoned resistance fighter was the establishment before he helped end the apartheid regime that imprisoned him.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
You wouldn't have to be doing these silly dances and goalpost moving if you just accepted that you didn't know Nigel Farage was as establishment as they come.
You wouldn't have to be doing these silly what ifs because you thought you made a cogent point but it ended up being full of fail.
You wanted the standard edgy counter-point, which is your thing. But it fell flat this time.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Now you're in the position where you're saying the inheritance-rich, privately educated banker and politician is anti establishment and the near 30 year imprisoned resistance fighter was the establishment before he helped end the apartheid regime that imprisoned him.
He is definitely how you described him despite your attempt at a terrible hyperbolic comparative. You should stop talking him up so much with these thinly veiled tantrums. You got Brexitted. You'll just have to accept that Farage is your revolutionary c*nt of the day.
I got brexitted?
Have no idea what that even means in your brain. Nothing that makes sense, I expect.
But anyway. Here's Nigel Farage at one of those traditional anti establishment gatherings...a fox hunt
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2961959.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Nigel-Farage.jpg
Originally posted by -Pr-
I've read that about them, yes. My questions are thus: As cunty as those men were, is there not at least some indication that they did what they did for the benefit of the people at large?
Which is exactly what Brexit is to almost half of the British people. You clearly do not believe that or else you wouldn't ask that question.
It's the hill Farage almost died on in his revolution.
Originally posted by -Pr-
If not, how can what they did be painted as a positive? Or is this a case of "shit done for bad reasons turned out right in the end"?
In this case - from the view of tens of millions of people in the UK - it is a tremendous accomplishment done by a c*nt for good reasons, for the people, to overthrow a shitty establishment.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Farage doesn't give one solid **** about the wellness of Britain. Nothing I've seen of the man says to me that he did anything he's done out of any kind of belief that he was doing the right thing. This is a man that thinks that either the British Empire is still a thing, or that if it's not, that it could be again. You can call him a patriot, but I think he honestly dirties that word.
This statement runs antithetical to what Farage has been doing the last 20+ years and to what tens of other British people think he did.
I also didn't call him a patriot: I said he came off as American and Patriotic and clarified exactly what I meant by that in the very next sentence: "...most Americans are loud boisterous c*nts, anyway."
Here, I'll make it clearer, "F*ck yeah! The UK! We are awesome! F*ck the oppressive EU! We are freeeeee bitcheeeeeesss!" This is literally (in the most literal definition of "literally" in this particular use) what i meant by that.
As far as him ACTUALLY doing any good - despite his beliefs of his actions and despite what tens of millions of British people think of his actions - that has yet to be seen.
We will know for sure in about 5-10 years. Closer to 10 years but we should see some results in as little as 2 years. And we will have to navigate around the c*nty lies of the Remainers who will try to muddy the waters with psuedoscience to support their positions of remaining being the penultimate bestest of choices. I can't wait* to start reading cherry picked and outright lies from the remainers and having to pick through lots of piles of shit to get actual legit research about the results of Brexit.
*That was sarcasm. I don't look forward to it. I just want the research, not the narrative. Kind of like that dude doing ice-core samples who got buttmad when the hysterical climate change people use his research to support their positions. He wasn't a climate-change denier and perhaps his research support an anthropogenic model, but the hasty conclusions and sweeping generalizations did not bode well with him and he whined about it.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I got brexitted?Have no idea what that even means in your brain. Nothing that makes sense, I expect.
But anyway. Here's Nigel Farage at one of those traditional anti establishment gatherings...a fox hunt
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2961959.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Nigel-Farage.jpg
Don't worry, I don't care about you avoiding the topic because your point fell flat. You might have something to talk about if I didn't point out that establishment is destroyed by establishment.
It's not like I haven't been pointing this out in previous posts. I'm consistant as a futher mucker.
teehee
Meanwhile, your arse still get Brexitted from the EU. Unless you're going to claim Scotland is no longer part of the UK, you'll submit your own referendum and break away from the UK, etc. etc. etc. Okay, great. Right now, you're brexitted.
Originally posted by dadudemonAs far as him ACTUALLY doing any good - despite his beliefs of his actions and despite what tens of millions of British people think of his actions - that has yet to be seen.
It isn't really "yet to be seen".
As a member of the European Parliament for both UKIP and The Brexit Party he had the ability to vote on legislation that would have benefited different parts of the UK. In most cases he either didn't turn up to vote at all or voted against the legislation even if it would've benefited UK constituents simply because it would be EU Law implemented in the UK.
Here's some articles from various time periods
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/where-have-ukips-absent-meps-really-been-8160595.html
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-worst-8302679
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/09/nigel-farage-fishermen-ignored-ukip-brexit
So we know that helping the British public has never been his top priority.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It isn't really "yet to be seen".As a member of the European Parliament for both UKIP and The Brexit Party he had the ability to vote on legislation that would have benefited different parts of the UK. In most cases he either didn't turn up to vote at all or voted against the legislation even if it would've benefited UK constituents simply because it would be EU Law implemented in the UK.
Here's some articles from various time periods
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/where-have-ukips-absent-meps-really-been-8160595.html
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-worst-8302679
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/09/nigel-farage-fishermen-ignored-ukip-brexit
So we know that helping the British public has never been his top priority.
The people voted twice in an overwhelming majority. They wanted to leave.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It isn't really "yet to be seen".As a member of the European Parliament for both UKIP and The Brexit Party he had the ability to vote on legislation that would have benefited different parts of the UK. In most cases he either didn't turn up to vote at all or voted against the legislation even if it would've benefited UK constituents simply because it would be EU Law implemented in the UK.
Here's some articles from various time periods
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/where-have-ukips-absent-meps-really-been-8160595.html
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-worst-8302679
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/09/nigel-farage-fishermen-ignored-ukip-brexit
So we know that helping the British public has never been his top priority.
This all looks like partisan politics to me and not an actual legitimate point. You know I can use sophistry to turn your entire point on it's head and your post comes off as more partisan whining that was assembled by remainers, right?
Here, watch:
"Franklin wants to plunge the Colonies into economic ruin by breaking away from The Crown. He voted to revolt and participated in the drafting of the declaration.
Franklin voted multiple times against Colonial interests when it came to tariffs, shipping rights...."
Bla bla bla, etc. and so forth.
I am above the petty partisan squabbling you wish to drag me into. It won't work. You got brexitted and tens of millions of people agreed with Farage and praise him for his success.
According to ACTUAL polls and not your propaganda, this is what the people believe about Farage:
How do you feel about your brexit?
