Originally posted by Robtard
When Boris forces a no deal exit and then blame-shifts everyone else except himself and the UK dips into a heavy recession (as that seems to be the leading theory of what's coming), maybe Ireland can just take N. Ireland off the UK's hands for free?
It's possible, but the question of feasibility has to be answered. Ireland, realistically, would only be interested in taking over if NI would be absorbed in to the Republic proper, creating a united Ireland. There's a number of people up north that do not want that, and that's without even mentioning the fact that Northern Ireland doesn't have some of the same laws the Republic does when it comes to things like abortion and gay marriage.
Then there's the cost. Northern Ireland is NOT a booming economy. Absorbing those six counties in to the Republic is going to be crazy expensive.
Most of all though, I'm worried about a return to how things were before the peace process stopped a lot of the violence that was going on up there.
Originally posted by Surtur
Just making it clear that no we won't be brushing aside brexit as "people were just misinformed" 🙂
A lot of the people voting to leave WERE lied to, though. You can say people on the remain side were lied to too, but that doesn't change the initial point.
Originally posted by Blakemore
What do you mean doubling down? He created the lie and lead a campaign he wanted to lose to score political points and not do the job he's not doing now.And I like Boris.
This is Boris' mess, I agree..... However, he clearly wants to make a profit on Brexit
We won't have a recession because Trump will bail us out with Greenland's money.
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Leaves were lied to and scared by immigration and hopes of NHS. Racist and vulnerable people.
Not everyone voted leave because of it.
Doesn't matter. Scare tactics and lies were used by the leave campaign.
The remain campaign scared us with talks of recession and being labeled racist. (Ironically, the Scottish referendum wasn't Scots being racist, because that was Scottish pride) I guess only white Anglo Saxons are racist....
They also said moronic bullshit like the EU helps autonomous countries like Scotland Wales and NI.
Doesn't change the facts.
No, it diminishes the point you're trying to make.
How?
Scare tactics and false claims are commonly used by politicians. It isn't racist.
Herp deep racists lied to us cos we dumb. Oh Trumpers.
Originally posted by Blakemore
Leaves were lied to and scared by immigration and hopes of NHS. Racist and vulnerable people.
Not everyone voted leave because of it.Doesn't matter. Scare tactics and lies were used by the leave campaign.
The remain campaign scared us with talks of recession and being labeled racist. (Ironically, the Scottish referendum wasn't Scots being racist, because that was Scottish pride) I guess only white Anglo Saxons are racist....
They also said moronic bullshit like the EU helps autonomous countries like Scotland Wales and NI.
Doesn't change the facts.
No, it diminishes the point you're trying to make.
How?Scare tactics and false claims are commonly used by politicians. It isn't racist.
Herp deep racists lied to us cos we dumb. Oh Trumpers.
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No doubt all of those saying the "leavers" were "misinformed" would also probably claim that people who voted for Trump over that old hag Hillary were also "sorely misinformed" because of so-called "russian propaganda" or some other nonsense. 😂
But nah, we didn't need any help from Russia or anyone else to know that Trump was far more preferable to that evil lying witch. 👆
This is a Brexit thread and I can't believe I didn't think of the 5th solution.
1 EU border is harsh border between Eire and NI disrupting good Friday agreement
2 EU border is in the Irish sea, pissing off NI
3 EU border stays the same, pissing off England
4 NI rejoins Eire, pissing off Ireland OR
5 Britain reconquered Ireland
hmm
Northern Ireland rejoining the Republic wouldn't piss off the Republic of Ireland. It would piss off the DUP and British protestant loyalists who live in Northern Ireland.
Britain no longer has the military capacity to reconquer anyone. Much of the delusion surrounding brexit leave supporters stems from the notion that we can someone reignite the wealth and influence Britain had during the empire days. Forgetting the fact that most of that wealth came from countries we no longer govern. Also neglecting to mention that British governments are notoriously inept at managing the country's wealth.
And why do you keep saying 'harsh' border. It's 'hard' border.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0I would agree with everything and go further still. The British Government is notoriously inept...
Northern Ireland rejoining the Republic wouldn't piss off the Republic of Ireland. It would piss off the DUP and British protestant loyalists who live in Northern Ireland.Britain no longer has the military capacity to reconquer anyone. Much of the delusion surrounding brexit leave supporters stems from the notion that we can someone reignite the wealth and influence Britain had during the empire days. Forgetting the fact that most of that wealth came from countries we no longer govern. Also neglecting to mention that British governments are notoriously inept at managing the country's wealth.
And why do you keep saying 'harsh' border. It's 'hard' border.
We live in Post Colonial times. America and China are the dominant Empires but both are empires geared to trade, neither really wants wars, even trade wars cost money. The thing is Britain has no one to trade with after Oct 31st... we're ****ed!
First Brexit with no deal, then Trump negotiates deal with China, Russia and GB.
Donald Trump's on Putin while British Johnson explores da Gina.
This isn't even jokes anymore.
Back to Northern Ireland. I honestly don't know what to do other than a discrete hard border until NI has its referendum, which would probably mean we keep Belfast, Down and Antrim.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I would agree with everything and go further still. The British Government is notoriously inept...We live in Post Colonial times. America and China are the dominant Empires but both are empires geared to trade, neither really wants wars, even trade wars cost money. The thing is Britain has no one to trade with after Oct 31st... we're ****ed!
I'll trade with you guys after Brexit. 🙂
And I hope my passport still lets me get in and out of the UK after Brexit!
Originally posted by Surtur
Well it might put the point into perspective if we acknowledge both sides were lied too.Yet the narrative seems to be one side was misinformed and the other side wasn't.
The problem with that, is that not all lies are created equal.
Brexit might lead to a period of prosperity for Britain, but there's just as much chance that it won't. And it certainly won't in the way they've been promising. Just because some politicians were arrogant enough to think the EU would allow them to have their cake and eat it too, doesn't absolve them of responsibility.
Originally posted by Blakemore
This is a Brexit thread and I can't believe I didn't think of the 5th solution.1 EU border is harsh border between Eire and NI disrupting good Friday agreement
2 EU border is in the Irish sea, pissing off NI
3 EU border stays the same, pissing off England
4 NI rejoins Eire, pissing off Ireland OR
5 Britain reconquered Irelandhmm
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Northern Ireland rejoining the Republic wouldn't piss off the Republic of Ireland. It would piss off the DUP and British protestant loyalists who live in Northern Ireland.Britain no longer has the military capacity to reconquer anyone. Much of the delusion surrounding brexit leave supporters stems from the notion that we can someone reignite the wealth and influence Britain had during the empire days. Forgetting the fact that most of that wealth came from countries we no longer govern. Also neglecting to mention that British governments are notoriously inept at managing the country's wealth.
And why do you keep saying 'harsh' border. It's 'hard' border.
Yeah, Ireland wouldn't really be mad about actually getting the six counties back. Sure, we'd be pissed at having to fix NI's economy, but the cultural significance of having a united Ireland again after all of these years would be MASSIVE.
Originally posted by Blakemore
First Brexit with no deal, then Trump negotiates deal with China, Russia and GB.Donald Trump's on Putin while British Johnson explores da Gina.
This isn't even jokes anymore.
Back to Northern Ireland. I honestly don't know what to do other than a discrete hard border until NI has its referendum, which would probably mean we keep Belfast, Down and Antrim.
The border as it is now, isn't really enforceable. Not to what I imagine EU standards are anyway. Hell, it wasn't during the troubles either, and that had actual checkpoints. Something would have to be altered.
Keeping 3 and giving 3 back wouldn't really solve anything imo, but who knows.
Originally posted by -Pr-Belfast isn't a county, I was thinking more a Gibraltar type deal to negotiate with the DUP, only meaning Belfast and the two counties around Belfast, which are heavily protestant would have some crown autonomy and EU autonomy.
The problem with that, is that not all lies are created equal.Brexit might lead to a period of prosperity for Britain, but there's just as much chance that it won't. And it certainly won't in the way they've been promising. Just because some politicians were arrogant enough to think the EU would allow them to have their cake and eat it too, doesn't absolve them of responsibility.
Yeah, Ireland wouldn't really be mad about actually getting the six counties back. Sure, we'd be pissed at having to fix NI's economy, but the cultural significance of having a united Ireland again after all of these years would be MASSIVE.
The border as it is now, isn't really enforceable. Not to what I imagine EU standards are anyway. Hell, it wasn't during the troubles either, and that had actual checkpoints. Something would have to be altered.
Keeping 3 and giving 3 back wouldn't really solve anything imo, but who knows.
Or like a channel island, an oversees state or whatever
Originally posted by Blakemore
Belfast isn't a county, I was thinking more a Gibraltar type deal to negotiate with the DUP, only meaning Belfast and the two counties around Belfast, which are heavily protestant would have some crown autonomy and EU autonomy.Or like a channel island, an oversees state or whatever
No I get that, I just don't think it's feasible.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThis is my only input as an American. I don't particularly care about Brexit but when I hear the topic come up and they're still debating it 4 years after they voted for it and nothing's been done ... What exactly was the point of your vote?
Chances are, we'll all die before Brexit finalizes.