Originally posted by cdtm
In Universe 7? Only Whis or Beerus should be above him.Overall, every angel, probably most Gods of Destruction, possibly Jiren, fused charscters (Broly isn't even out yet, but him too) are above him, which is a lot of characters.
How is Jiren above Master UI Goku, he lost badly to him.
The manga's rendition of MUI was a bit different than the anime's.
In the manga, Goku could only sustain it for a few pages before powering down -- likely because he was already near-exhaustion when it finally activated, and didn't have the training to wield it properly in the first place(per Whis.) Despite this, the handful of attacks MUI Goku landed on Jiren(who was basically at full power/stamina when the fight began, mind you) were enough to weaken him so tremendously that immediately afterward an exhausted BASE Goku/Vegeta could actually contend with him, and BASE Goku + Golden Freeza(also exhausted) could outright overpower him off the field. So I'd say the manga's MUI was intended to be superior to Jiren as well -- even if he was powerful enough to counter it to an extent.
That said, I'd still put MUI Goku at a 9 or 9.5. Nothing definitively puts him above Beerus at this point -- quite the contrary, actually.
What puts Beerus over him when the only feats we have of Beerus is beating a newly formed SSG Goku?
MUI was insanity, the guy was reacting without even thinking and he flicked away away what people call here the most powerful attack on DB history which was Jirens. He also then replicated all of Jirens feats with ease.
Originally posted by BrolyBlackBeerus also casually one-shot-owned SSB Vegeta in the manga after getting mildly irritated. Also in the manga, Goku was absolutely awestruck when he watched the GoDs battling prior to the ToP, and outright stated he was still nowhere near their level.
What puts Beerus over him when the only feats we have of Beerus is beating a newly formed SSG Goku?MUI was insanity, the guy was reacting without even thinking and he flicked away away what people call here the most powerful attack on DB history which was Jirens. He also then replicated all of Jirens feats with ease.
Then we have Nagamine's comment that Goku still isn't on par with God/Beerus-level power by the time of the Broly film:
"On the usual suspects: Goku is already pretty close to being a God, and Vegeta is desperately trying to catch up. This time, Frieza shows particular growth. He wants to be on top, but he ponders how he can with Beerus and co. Around. Is his ambition to defeat the Omni-King?!"-Tatsuya Nagamine, Director of DBS: Broly
If he wasn't referring to MUI, then Vegeta wouldn't be "desperately trying to catch up" to Goku, given that they are equals if MUI is taken out of the equation. So MUI Goku is "pretty close" to Beerus-level, but still not quite there.
Beerus IS able to use an(albeit imperfect) version of UI. That was one of the reasons why he was able to outfight all of the other GoDs simultaneously:
https://i.imgur.com/WCh4am7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6o3VYD9.jpg
That said, Beerus would be able to hit Goku the same way Jiren did: he's simply powerful enough to overcome the 'untouchability' factor of Goku's MUI.
Originally posted by Galan007
Beerus also casually one-shot-owned SSB Vegeta in the manga after getting mildly irritated. Also in the manga, Goku was absolutely awestruck when he watched the GoDs battling prior to the ToP, and outright stated he was still nowhere near their level.Then we have Nagamine's comment that Goku still isn't on par with God/Beerus-level power by the time of the Broly film:
If he wasn't referring to MUI, then Vegeta wouldn't be "desperately trying to catch up" to Goku, given that they are equals if MUI is taken out of the equation. So MUI Goku is "pretty close" to Beerus-level, but still not quite there.
You dont think MUI could one shot SSB Vegeta?
Of course he could. However, you implied that Beerus' best/only feat was beating SSG Goku, which is not the case -- his 'best' would be outfighting all of the other GoDs simultaneously, and nearly killing the lot of them with a single attack.
That said, I'm sure MUI Goku would give Beerus a damn good fight, but in the end Beerus would edge him out. Imo.
