Post Crisis Wonder Woman vs New 52 Superman

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Post Crisis Wonder Woman vs New 52 Superman

Wonder Woman is bloodlusted, Clark is bloodlusted. Can Superman react to someone who can fight and react at FTL speeds? As far as I'm aware, New 52 is only good at travel speed but his fastest reaction time is at a thousandth of a second (millisecond speed, peak human). Overall he's about massively hypersonic, but no where near relativistic, so I think Diana can blitz him with her magic sword and lasso.

They already fought and had showings against similar characters and Diana did better in both.

Yea he'd beat her for all the same old reasons.

Originally posted by carver9
They already fought and had showings against similar characters and Diana did better in both.
What do you mean? Can you expound on that?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yea he'd beat her for all the same old reasons.
The same old reasons used to be: Superman was much faster in combat speed and reflexes, and his physicals were all around better. In this fight, Superman lost his main advantage, so he's essentially a superstrong brick that might not even see Diana because she's so much faster than him. She can cut him, he probably can't touch her

Originally posted by XLR87T3
What do you mean? Can you expound on that? The same old reasons used to be: Superman was much faster in combat speed and reflexes, and his physicals were all around better. In this fight, Superman lost his main advantage, so he's essentially a superstrong brick that might not even see Diana because she's so much faster than him. She can cut him, he probably can't touch her

Wut? Since when is Diana FTL?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Since when is Diana FTL?
Batman says her reaction time is superior to Superman's
https://i.imgur.com/xQNwxGc.jpg

Lassos Amazo before he can react or move
https://m.imgur.com/a/GOOzR

Catching the Flash stuck in super-speed,
https://m.imgur.com/a/JutpM

in the exact same issue he said something that implies picosecond reaction times
https://m.imgur.com/a/HxuUk

[When she's blind] Hits Hunter Zolomon and then lasso's him, Hunter was explicitly moving at near/at lightpseed
https://m.imgur.com/a/e9FH2

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Batman says her reaction time is superior to Superman's
https://i.imgur.com/xQNwxGc.jpg

Lassos Amazo before he can react or move
https://m.imgur.com/a/GOOzR

Catching the Flash stuck in super-speed,
https://m.imgur.com/a/JutpM

in the exact same issue he said something that implies picosecond reaction times
https://m.imgur.com/a/HxuUk

[When she's blind] Hits Hunter Zolomon and then lasso's him, Hunter was explicitly moving at near/at lightpseed
https://m.imgur.com/a/e9FH2


And Diana herself said later that power girl is at least as fast as her.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HrFoF-v811Q/VngPpybSkEI/AAAAAAAAOqY/K0jj4QzQFXw/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

Which was shown when she blitzed her too.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gs6wiWUkCXk/VngPpp1GNuI/AAAAAAAAOqQ/CCdj8EycN-g/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

The Amazo scene? It was Roy Harper who was unable to react.

Superman was casually handling Diana and Firestorm both in the same issue where she caught Flash.

And Zoom was toying with her. When he wanted, she couldn't even touch him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Diana herself said later that power girl is at least as fast as her.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HrFoF-v811Q/VngPpybSkEI/AAAAAAAAOqY/K0jj4QzQFXw/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

I like to think that Dinah and Diana began scissoring right after she complemented her skills 👆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I like to think that Dinah and Diana began scissoring right after she complemented her skills 👆

You're telling me they didn't? Them's fighting words!

uhuh

Re: Post Crisis Wonder Woman vs New 52 Superman

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Wonder Woman is bloodlusted, Clark is bloodlusted. Can Superman react to someone who can fight and react at FTL speeds? As far as I'm aware, New 52 is only good at travel speed but his fastest reaction time is at a thousandth of a second (millisecond speed, peak human). Overall he's about massively hypersonic, but no where near relativistic, so I think Diana can blitz him with her magic sword and lasso.

Why isnt WW indisputably FTL when she is powered by the godwave which powers the speedforce?

Jay Garrick is also speed force powered. He's not FTL.

Superman showed planetary plus strength. Would this even be competitive?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Jay Garrick is also speed force powered. He's not FTL.

She's powered by the godwave, though, iirc

Originally posted by TGATES
Why isnt WW indisputably FTL when she is powered by the godwave which powers the speedforce?

Seriously?
Originally posted by TGATES
She's powered by the godwave, though, iirc

Again, seriously?

That was one of the origins for her. It's quickly forgotten.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Diana herself said later that power girl is at least as fast as her.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HrFoF-v811Q/VngPpybSkEI/AAAAAAAAOqY/K0jj4QzQFXw/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

Which was shown when she blitzed her too.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gs6wiWUkCXk/VngPpp1GNuI/AAAAAAAAOqQ/CCdj8EycN-g/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

The Amazo scene? It was Roy Harper who was unable to react.

Superman was casually handling Diana and Firestorm both in the same issue where she caught Flash.

And Zoom was toying with her. When he wanted, she couldn't even touch him.

Wonder Woman is just as fast as Powergirl, she was blitzing her
https://tinyurl.com/y7ff523c

Kryptonians have FTL combat speed, so she should be a statue but instead Powergirl got her butt handed to her.

Same in Sacrifice.

https://tinyurl.com/y8dro2sl
https://tinyurl.com/y89u6fwn

They were fighting in a span of 1 minute 44 seconds, at FTL speeds, Superman was faster but again she wasn't a statue and managed to defeat him when he was amped by the solar radiation of the sun while she was holding back. She got her hits in, he wasn't always able to react, they were close in reflexes and speed. New 52 Superman is no where near as quick as them, Post Crisis Superman had nanosecond reaction time.

Can you show me that it was only Roy Harper's powers that Amazo copied?

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Wonder Woman is just as fast as Powergirl, she was blitzing her
https://tinyurl.com/y7ff523c

Kryptonians have FTL combat speed, so she should be a statue but instead Powergirl got her butt handed to her.

She didn't blitz PG, it was simply a bullrush.

Same in Sacrifice.

https://tinyurl.com/y8dro2sl
https://tinyurl.com/y89u6fwn

They were fighting in a span of 1 minute 44 seconds, at FTL speeds, Superman was faster but again she wasn't a statue and managed to defeat him when he was amped by the solar radiation of the sun while she was holding back. She got her hits in, he wasn't always able to react, they were close in reflexes and speed. New 52 Superman is no where near as quick as them, Post Crisis Superman had nanosecond reaction time.

First of all, the whole point of Sacrifice was that Superman was out of his mind and not fighting intelligently. That's about as useful to determine her speed as the time Deathstroke was stated to be faster than her.

And no, Superman wasn't amped. He was affected by kryptonite actually.

New 52 Superman is explicitly as powerful as post crisis Superman.

Can you show me that it was only Roy Harper's powers that Amazo copied?

It was Roy who was narrating it. And it was a faulty Amazo, Batman sawed its legs off on the next page.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Since when is Diana FTL?
Goddammit, abhi. I was waiting for the right talk to bust this myth.

Go ahead now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She didn't blitz PG, it was simply a bullrush.

She still wasn't able to react, and Wonder Woman easily incapacitated her when she got serious.

First of all, the whole point of Sacrifice was that Superman was out of his mind and not fighting intelligently. That's about as useful to determine her speed as the time Deathstroke was stated to be faster than her.

Superman was fighting intelligently, J'onn literally says he does despite Clark being mind controlled. Wonder Woman notes it as well.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-Sacrifice/TPB?id=104140#84

And no, Superman wasn't amped. He was affected by kryptonite actually.

He was right next to the sun, so he was more powerful than he was before. The kryptonite did nothing, he didn't even give it pause or notice it, he wasn't weakened when he punched Diana from the sun all the way to earth

New 52 Superman is explicitly as powerful as post crisis Superman.
Prove that hes as fast in reactions & reflexes as Post Crisis Superman

It was Roy who was narrating it. And it was a faulty Amazo, Batman sawed its legs off on the next page.
What is the book? I want to read it myself.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Wonder Woman is just as fast as Powergirl, she was blitzing her
https://tinyurl.com/y7ff523c

Kryptonians have FTL combat speed, so she should be a statue but instead Powergirl got her butt handed to her.

Same in Sacrifice.

https://tinyurl.com/y8dro2sl
https://tinyurl.com/y89u6fwn

They were fighting in a span of 1 minute 44 seconds, at FTL speeds, Superman was faster but again she wasn't a statue and managed to defeat him when he was amped by the solar radiation of the sun while she was holding back. She got her hits in, he wasn't always able to react, they were close in reflexes and speed. New 52 Superman is no where near as quick as them, Post Crisis Superman had nanosecond reaction time.

Can you show me that it was only Roy Harper's powers that Amazo copied?

The entire fight didn't take place in 1 minute and 44 seconds. Max Lord start recording the fight when Superman lunched her from the sun to Earth.