Starro the Conqueror vs. Rogol Zaar

I'll judge, too 👆

Originally posted by Bentley
Oh, I'll battlezone you on this too if you think my position is so unreasonable darling 😬

I've done respect threads for villains in the past, if you are going to wait until Rogol displays galactic level psychic resistance you will be waiting for a long long time. Needless to say, my "hard claims" have basis on actual comic showings, yours are made of speculation, hopeful wishes and air.

Did I make any strong claims aside from what would happen in a physical confrontation between these two? Okay. Now do we know what Rogol can or can't resist? He may be immune to TP, and magical attacks. We don't know, so in the meantime until we find out more about him maybe you should relax killer.

Originally posted by Stoic
Did I make any strong claims aside from what would happen in a physical confrontation between these two? Okay. Now do we know what Rogol can or can't resist? He may be immune to TP, and magical attacks. We don't know, so in the meantime until we find out more about him maybe you should relax killer.

But don’t worry, you don’t need to BZ me.

I wouldn’t want to humiliate you after all. 😉

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
You seemed quite confident that Starro was going to fail awhile back. 😬

But don’t worry, you don’t need to BZ me.

I wouldn’t want to humiliate you after all. 😉

You seem to have read my posts like you obviously read books. Perhaps you had better go back and read what I posted again before you make a fool out of yourself like Bentley.

Originally posted by Stoic
Did I make any strong claims aside from what would happen in a physical confrontation between these two? Okay. Now do we know what Rogol can or can't resist? He may be immune to TP, and magical attacks. We don't know, so in the meantime until we find out more about him maybe you should relax killer.

Just admit that up to this point we have no reason to think he has inmunity to telepathy and we are good 👆

Originally posted by Stoic
So far he's proven that he's pretty much unstoppable. I wouldn't be surprised if he was an evolved version of Doomsday. So let's recap. He easily ragdolled Zod, made an entire legion of Tamaraneans retreat out of fear, utterly crushed the Nuclear Man, and took Superman's best punches like they were love taps. If that doesn't reek of pure badassery, I don't know what else to say other than every alien race in the universe seems to respect him to the degree that Marvel's universe respects and fears Thanos.

Starro hasn't been physically beaten yet by Rogol.

I think he's immune to Rogol's fists.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Starro hasn't been physically beaten yet by Rogol.

I think he's immune to Rogol's fists.

Originally posted by Bentley
Just admit that up to this point we have no reason to think he has inmunity to telepathy and we are good 👆

You're actually giving yourself a thumbs up, without having one shred of evidence to support your weak stance? Bentley stop while you're ahead. There is no proof on either side. This very subject is premature at this point in time. Not sure why that isn't penetrating the crust of your skull?

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Sounds pretty one-sided. 😬

Has Starro shown super combat speed? Rogol has. This fight may be a wash before it even begins under that light. If Starro has the speed of the Thing from the FF, Rogol would simply turn him into a statue. Now take NOTE, not once did I make any claims that he was immune to TP, I don't have proof on either side. Geee but isn't that what I've been saying all along? Perhap you've selectively made out that I said something else?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Starro hasn't been physically beaten yet by Rogol.

I think he's immune to Rogol's fists.

Any proof or are you back to the immature prankish bullshit that you're famous for?

You implied that Rogol would only fall to TP if he had a specific weakness to it like, per your words, Juggernaut (which to my knowledge isn't even really true, he just isn't invulnerable to TP like he is to most physical harm):

Originally posted by Stoic
What if Zaar was immune to that approach? I can't write what I don't know, but Rogol doesn't appear to be weak in any physical trait, and we can't assume that he's a carbon copy of the Juggernaut and decide to impose his weaknesses onto Rogol.

You seem to be assuming that "TP resistance" is some binary number, 0 if you are weak to it, 1 if you're immune. When in reality it depends on the strength of the telepath.

And Starro is an extremely strong telepath, while Rogol Zaar's resistance isn't tested. It would not be right to grant him outright immunity against Starro's TP or discount it as a factor just because he has no feats against it.

Rogol will punch through Starro's telepathy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by NemeBro
You implied that Rogol would only fall to TP if he had a specific weakness to it like, per your words, Juggernaut (which to my knowledge isn't even really true, he just isn't invulnerable to TP like he is to most physical harm):

You seem to be assuming that "TP resistance" is some binary number, 0 if you are weak to it, 1 if you're immune. When in reality it depends on the strength of the telepath.

And Starro is an extremely strong telepath, while Rogol Zaar's resistance isn't tested. It would not be right to grant him outright immunity against Starro's TP or discount it as a factor just because he has no feats against it.

No. I said that there is no proof on either side. I also... Actually this entire subject has wasted enough time. You can read all of my comments so we can skip going in circles.

Originally posted by Stoic
No. I said that there is no proof on either side. I also... Actually this entire subject has wasted enough time. You can read all of my comments so we can skip going in circles.

Originally posted by Stoic

Any proof or are you back to the immature prankish bullshit that you're famous for?

No, I will freely admit I have no proof EITHER WAY. Until it happens, I will say that Starro has not shown that Rogols fists would affect him.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're actually giving yourself a thumbs up, without having one shred of evidence to support your weak stance? Bentley stop while you're ahead. There is no proof on either side. This very subject is premature at this point in time. Not sure why that isn't penetrating the crust of your skull?

I was giving you the thumbs up.

Now can you not dodge my question?

Do we have any reason to believe Rogol is inmune to telepathy yes or no?

Originally posted by Bentley
I was giving you the thumbs up.

Now can you not dodge my question?

Do we have any reason to believe Rogol is inmune to telepathy yes or no?

We have as much reason to believe that his as we have to believe that he isn't. That is what I have been saying this entire time. I have not once made a strong claim that he isn't, just that he may be, which leaves us with nothing but what we do know. We know that Rogol could punch him with planetary level strength several dozen times per second, because he has super speed to match Superman and Zod which was seen in his latest showing. This brings us back the physical domination that Rogol has exhibited against everyone that he has faced, and why he has far flung races that exist across the universe fearing him.

We don't know his resistance to anything outside of being one he'll of a tank. So no Bentley, we can't assume anything on either side. Starro may not be able to possess him. I said this already. Why can't you just go back and read my posts on it? It's bot about being right at this point, it's about finding credible evidence to support any hard stance outside of what has been shown . So far we have none. But, that does not mean that he can't resist or be immune to possession . What if his axe made him immune? This thread is too early to be discussed.

Originally posted by Stoic
We have as much reason to believe that his as we have to believe that he isn't.

We don't have proof for either case, that much is true 👆

But there are plenty of reasons not to assume a character is night inmune to telepathy. Do you agree?

I feel I'm saying this a lot lately, but this is not how debating works.

Bentley doesn't have to prove he doesn't have telepathy resistance. The burden of proof is on the other side to prove that he has , not only telepathic resistance, but multi-galactical telepathy resistance.

Absence of proof doesn't mean telepathy itself is ignored, just because it's up in the air. It's a valid tactic until there's counter-arguments.

Basically I think Rogol would defeat the InBetweener and Molecule Man combined, as he would be immune to reality warping.

Originally posted by Bentley
I was giving you the thumbs up.

Now can you not dodge my question?

Do we have any reason to believe Rogol is inmune to telepathy yes or no?

None at all.

If Starro uses TP, Rogol loses.

But people are so invested in if he could use it to win, they'd ignoring the question of WOULD he use it to win.

This is a character who not only exclusively used physical attacks, but kept fighting invincible Black Lanterns to the point that Dox's son assumed he had a death wish. That means Starro would have kept fighting, until they overwhelmed him.

That does not sound like a character who would resort to an easy win. Or even a fall back plan, if physical attacks weren't cutting it.