CAR carver9 Senior Member That scan confirms it. Vegeta even admits he is no match for him and Whis said "what did you expect". Thanks Gal.
CDT cdtm Restricted What if Goku and jiren did this in a ToP ring out scenerio, and were somehow on the same side?The goal becomes not to beat him, but to simply not lose until you figure out how to ring him out.