Found some things:
“[Russian]Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on ‘politics in the USA’ and to ‘use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump – we support them),’”
This was during the primaries that they did this. And it lasted from April to May:
"I did not know that Russian bots were promoting my campaign," Sanders said. "Russians bots were not promoting my campaign. What we found out is that in April and May, it appeared that there were lots of strange things happening, attacking Hillary Clinton.""I would say that the real question to be asked is what was the Clinton campaign—they had more information about this than we did, and at this point, we were working with them," he said.
And why did Russians support SJW and other liberal and Democratic things?
Shouldn't we be talking more about these things?
Originally posted by Robtard
Putin probably felt that Trump would have had an easier chance of beating a frail senile looking old Jewish man labelled as a "socialist!" over Clinton. She did win the popular vote against Trump, afterall, so more Americans wanted her than Trump.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Who's to say that their Anti Tump stuff wasn't actually more effective than their Pro Trump ads though? Maybe the Russians are actually the reason she won the popular vote... 😂
It sounds like you're maybe suggesting Putin actually wanted Clinton to win? If so, that's come up before and I find it silly. You're free to believe what you wish.
Originally posted by Robtard
If all that's true, then it supports that Putin wanted the election to come down to Trump Vs Sanders, not that they wanted Sanders to win/be POTUS.I suspect that if it had come down to Trump Vs Sanders, they would have flipped on the negative-add-machine against Sanders.
edit: That was to DDM,
I don't think Trump would have beaten Sanders. Nothing credible supports this (except your scenario where the Russia-machine would have turned their guns on Sanders)
A ton of Republicans, post general election, talked about wanting to vote for Bernie and not Trump. So did a ton of Democrats. And a documentary was made about the "silent Bernie voters" buttmad over the Clinton corruption.
If you want to know why Hillary Clinton lost the election:
12% of Bernie Supporters ended up voting for Trump.
And:
"More young people voted for Bernie Sanders than Trump and Clinton combined — by a lot
In the 2016 campaign, Sanders won more votes among those under age 30 than the two presumptive major-party presidential nominees combined. And it wasn't close."
This is actually why Hillary lost. Had nothing to do with Trump and Russia.
I think everyone is forgetting how pissed off Democrats and liberals were about the Clinton corruption during the primaries:
And WaPo does a good job of breaking down why the disenfranchised voters caused Clinton to lose:
Still feels like things are not adding up. Unless Robtard is right and it had to do with Sanders' isolationism compared to Clinton. But Russians loved Sanders. A lot. And all facts point to the idea that Sanders would have beaten Trump and beaten him rather soundly.
Russia wanted Sanders as the PotUS.
Originally posted by Robtard
It sounds like you're maybe suggesting Putin actually wanted Clinton to win? If so, that's come up before and I find it silly. You're free to believe what you wish.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not attributing anything to the mindset of Putin. I'm simply pointing out the idea that since there were about as many anti Trump ads as there were pro Trump ads, and there were actually way more pro Bernie ads(which are inherently anti Trump ads), that it's possible that The Russians are the reason Hilary won the popular vote.
If that makes you feel better about your boy Trump winning the election due to our corrupt Electoral College system but losing the popular vote, meaning more voting Americans actually wanted Clinton over Trump, cool with me.
Trump won the election with the rules in place fair and square, I for one don't take that away from Trump.
Originally posted by darthgooberI never said only because I simply said it helped. Unfair advantage. Foreign government. You are ok with it because you stand for nothing as life is hard on you.
My what if is simply countering the what if you guys keep trying to peddle. Namely the idea that Trump only won because of the Russians.
Originally posted by Robtard
If that makes you feel better about your boy Trump winning the election due to our corrupt Electoral College system but losing the popular vote, meaning more voting Americans actually wanted Clinton over Trump, cool with me.Trump won the election with the rules in place fair and square, I for one don't take that away from Trump.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Nah see, doesn't make me feel better or worse. I'm not the type who just buys into something that could easily go either way. If one were to ask me whether I think Russia's ad campaign before did more to help Trump or Hillary, I would have to shrug and say "It's impossible to really know that".
Well the consensus from our agencies is that Russia/Putin favored Trump to win and that the meddling was aimed towards that specific goal. From what I've seen and from Putin admitting that he wanted Trump to win, I think that's a logical conclusion. The real question is how much affect did that have, not if it ever happened.
You can go with whatever you feel though.
Originally posted by Robtard
Well the consensus from our agencies is that Russia/Putin favored Trump to win and that the meddling was aimed towards that specific goal. From what I've seen and from Putin admitting that he wanted Trump to win, I think that's a logical conclusion. The real question is how much affect did that have, not if it ever happened.You can go with whatever you feel though.
I'll check. If you're right, I'll support your point. If you're wrong, you'll never admit it. BRB
Originally posted by Robtard
Well the consensus from our agencies is that Russia/Putin favored Trump to win and that the meddling was aimed towards that specific goal. From what I've seen and from Putin admitting that he wanted Trump to win, I think that's a logical conclusion. The real question is how much affect did that have, not if it ever happened.You can go with whatever you feel though.
Turns out, Robtard is right:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486
Journalist: "President Putin, did you want President Trump win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?"Putin: "Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.-Russia relationship back to normal..."
loooooooooooooooooooooool
It doesn't get anymore clear than that, boys. haha
WTF?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Turns out, Robtard is right:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486
loooooooooooooooooooooool
It doesn't get anymore clear than that, boys. haha
WTF?
That's not say that I actually think Putin was anti Trump either, I'm just the type who's skeptical of pretty much everything, especially when it comes to politicians. That's why I've never voted.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Their consensus is illogical though. How does one make the claim that everything was geared specifically towards getting Trump elected if most of their adds favored someone other than Trump?
No, it's 100% logical and factual. As I said, you can ignore that and go with your feelings though.