Authority might return In the superman comics.
https://www.gamesradar.com/the-authority-teased-by-dc-in-new-midnighter-solo-story/
I really love this quote by Alan Grant:
Editor: "He is perhaps the only genuine hero of all of them," Alan Grant says. "People say Batman is this dark, vengeance-driven, obsessed character but that’s not Batman to my eyes. That’s just the fuel which drives Batman. The trauma of his parents’ death is what motivates him and forces him to go on, but what makes him Batman is a decision. He took a decision to be a good guy, which is a decision in life not too many people make. He is a self-made character. He didn’t get superpowers, he’s not a cyborg, he made a choice to be what he is. He is motivated by the terrible thing that happened to him when he was a kid, but that’s not the thing that defines his character. What defines his character is the decision to do something.”Source — Wizard Magazine Issue #46.
As Alan put it, a lot of people say Batman is just some "dark, vengeance-driven, obsessed character" but that's not who Batman actually is. "That's just the fuel which drives Batman" because the trauma of witnessing his parents' murders "motivates him and forces him go on, but what makes him Batman is a decision" because Bruce "took a decision to be a good guy, which is a decision in life not too many people make" and he is a "self-made character" because of that. He didn't get any superpowers from a radioactive spider like Peter Parker did, nor he is a cyborg like Victor Stone. Bruce "made a choice to be what he is" and although he "is motivated by the terrible thing that happened to him" as a child, it's not what actually defines his character. What defines him as a character "is the decision to do something" i.e. a choice. Alan is damn right, what defines Batman isn't the tragedy that he suffered as a child, it's the fact that he made a choice to remain a good guy after experiencing that tragedy, which isn't a choice that many people take after experiencing tragedy. Many people who experience tragedy, go down a down a path of evil by taking out their pain on other people. Pain can either define you or strengthen you, but the choice is yours. Pain and suffering is a natural part of life, everyone goes through it, but what it all comes down to, is how you deal with that pain because how you deal with it will not only affect you, but will also affect others, for better or worse.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Authority might return In the superman comics.https://www.gamesradar.com/the-authority-teased-by-dc-in-new-midnighter-solo-story/
leave wildstorm the fuk alone
Originally posted by MrMind
I don't believe that for a second
Originally posted by Galan007
If TEH actually does end up being the antagonist(which would honestly surprise me), then it will really put his power into perspective.
If DC executives have any common sense, they would continue building on what Snyder left. The Empty Hand would fit in well in this new cosmology. He could end up as a villain, who like Perpetua was tasked creating a universe but unlike her, he decided to destroy or corrupt others. It would be a great way to introduce him without creating a new tier of being
That said, I’m not convinced he is the enemy. It’s probably a being like Perpetua but not empty hand himself
I re-read Injustice-Masters again, as I do regularly, and missed the thread talking about it. (If you like that story, I recommend Masters-Thundercats, which takes place in the same continuity.)
Stoic:
He took on Injustice Superman, looked to be able to hold his own against Lobo and Solomon Grundy of that universe, and was really only pushed back by Darkseid. If you get the chance, check out Injustice vs Masters of the Universe. Loved the art, but more importantly, it scaled He-Man to mainstream proportions when he appeared to one shot Lobo. I think that he should certainly be bumped up to High Herald.
He-Man never actually took on Darkseid. Prince Adam did. While teaming up with Injustice Superman.
Skeletor is the one who took him on 1 vs 1, tapping into the powers of Shazam through his sword. Darkseid easily tanked his attacks, and shattered his sword.
This was a pretty powerful Darkseid, though. He was easily defeating Injustice Superman as well, before he shoved the "Orb of Power" into his chest, followed by Adam shoving his sword into it to unlock its power, and cause Darkseid to be absorbed into it as information.
Anyways, to the main topic on Superman being a high herald, and using Injustice Superman to scale. I'd like to point out in the New 52/Masters of the Universe crossover, they had He-Man kill mainstream Superman. So, not the first example of He-Man matching a Superman.
It ended up being a magical construct, but one so convincing it fooled JLA security and Martian Manhunters TP, and had the same power levels as mainstream Superman. This is credible on the basis Orko was massively amped off an artifact of Hordak's that granted wishes. Orko used Skeletor as a pawn, affected the entire Earth with his magics, and even had Black Alice under his thumb (No idea why she couldn't rip away his magics, she never even tried.)
Oh, one more thing.
In the Injustice-Masters comic, Kara Zor-El was unable to stop a massive space ship from crashing into the Eternia. He-Man easily catches same ship.
A little thing, but proves his strength level in the comic is the real deal.
(Wish I could have tackled the thread proper, instead of one off comments here. I could have brought in the cartoons, and how He-Man could swim so fast he creates whirlpools, or swing his sword fast enough to create a vaccume that goes into space. Examples of super speed.
Or that time She-Ra and He-Man went interstellar, in answer to whether they can content with Heralds. They have space horses on tap.
And lacking that, He-Man grappling hooked a ship in orbit, so he should he able to toss his sword at a herald..)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And this is why crossovers aren't used
If you want to rank him in an overall sense, nothing wrong in bringing everything to the table.
The Masters used in the Injustice and Thundercats crossovers is clearly a different canon to the earlier comics that had a crossover with mainstream DCU, and culminated in Eternity War. In fact, Eternity War He-Man was fighting a Skeletor with power over time and space, who erased planets on a whim, so a bit above high herald there.
And of course the cartoon is its own thing.
Originally posted by cdtm
If you want to rank him in an overall sense, nothing wrong in bringing everything to the table.The Masters used in the Injustice and Thundercats crossovers is clearly a different canon to the earlier comics that had a crossover with mainstream DCU, and culminated in Eternity War. And of course the cartoon is its own thing.
It is when you start bringing in storylines where no continuity is preserved and throwaway characters are used, or when shock value is aimed for.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It is when you start bringing in storylines where no continuity is preserved and throwaway characters are used, or when shock value is aimed for.
Injustice presumably drew off some form of continuity there.
The "bad ending" of the game, but mostly the comic series.
He-Man is He-Man.
Thundercats vs Superman used versions of Lion-O and friends with ZERO continuity behind them. They lived and died in that one shot. I'm still comfortable using Lion-O vs Superman, as it creates a precedence of how writers rate these ip's.
I mean, yes, you're correct that its bad form to seriously debate using poor canon, or to cherry pick. I think you can also piece together where Masters of the Universe, Thundercats, or what I call "nostalgia fodder" rate based on how they've been written over the decades.
Not to ignore the fact this can lead to things like Space Ghost taking down a Green Lantern out of nowhere, when his history never had an inkling of that level of power.
But Space Ghost is no He-Man. ðŸ˜
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed, "some" form. But not quite. Glad we agree
Hey, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is non canon too.
Still a great read, and my personal "How it should have ended." Even if evil Mxy is not a real thing, and the Phantom Zone can't really force him to tear himself in half attempting to escape.
That's how I feel about the Injustice-Masters series. It made a good ending to the game, even if not a "canon" ending.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
I really love this quote by Alan Grant:As Alan put it, a lot of people say Batman is just some "dark, vengeance-driven, obsessed character" but that's not who Batman actually is. "That's just the fuel which drives Batman" because the trauma of witnessing his parents' murders "motivates him and forces him go on, but what makes him Batman is a decision" because Bruce "took a decision to be a good guy, which is a decision in life not too many people make" and he is a "self-made character" because of that. He didn't get any superpowers from a radioactive spider like Peter Parker did, nor he is a cyborg like Victor Stone. Bruce "made a choice to be what he is" and although he "is motivated by the terrible thing that happened to him" as a child, it's not what actually defines his character. What defines him as a character "is the decision to do something" i.e. a choice. Alan is damn right, what defines Batman isn't the tragedy that he suffered as a child, it's the fact that he made a choice to remain a good guy after experiencing that tragedy, which isn't a choice that many people take after experiencing tragedy. Many people who experience tragedy, go down a down a path of evil by taking out their pain on other people. Pain can either define you or strengthen you, but the choice is yours. Pain and suffering is a natural part of life, everyone goes through it, but what it all comes down to, is how you deal with that pain because how you deal with it will not only affect you, but will also affect others, for better or worse.
Batman did choose: to resort to the use of violence, fear and vigiltism. He could've made the world better in an infinite number of ways but just like Luthor he wasted his potential with obsession. He's the choice he made indeed: a selfish choice of playing by his fantasized rules, precisely as a kid with no links annd responsabilities would do.
Luckily for Batman the whole universe bends itself so his choice doesn't seem stupid and desperate.
Originally posted by Bentley
Batman did choose: to resort to the use of violence, fear and vigiltism. He could've made the world better in an infinite number of ways but just like Luthor he wasted his potential with obsession. He's the choice he made indeed: a selfish choice of playing by his fantasized rules, precisely as a kid with no links annd responsabilities would do.Luckily for Batman the whole universe bends itself so his choice doesn't seem stupid and desperate.
He kind of IS making the world a better place in those other ways.
As he does own a company that contributes to many worthy and altruistic causes.
Originally posted by cdtm
He kind of IS making the world a better place in those other ways.As he does own a company that contributes to many worthy and altruistic causes.
He can fix everything around the world. Yet he can't fix his own city.
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
I really love this quote by Alan Grant:As Alan put it, a lot of people say Batman is just some "dark, vengeance-driven, obsessed character" but that's not who Batman actually is. "That's just the fuel which drives Batman" because the trauma of witnessing his parents' murders "motivates him and forces him go on, but what makes him Batman is a decision" because Bruce "took a decision to be a good guy, which is a decision in life not too many people make" and he is a "self-made character" because of that. He didn't get any superpowers from a radioactive spider like Peter Parker did, nor he is a cyborg like Victor Stone. Bruce "made a choice to be what he is" and although he "is motivated by the terrible thing that happened to him" as a child, it's not what actually defines his character. What defines him as a character "is the decision to do something" i.e. a choice. Alan is damn right, what defines Batman isn't the tragedy that he suffered as a child, it's the fact that he made a choice to remain a good guy after experiencing that tragedy, which isn't a choice that many people take after experiencing tragedy. Many people who experience tragedy, go down a down a path of evil by taking out their pain on other people. Pain can either define you or strengthen you, but the choice is yours. Pain and suffering is a natural part of life, everyone goes through it, but what it all comes down to, is how you deal with that pain because how you deal with it will not only affect you, but will also affect others, for better or worse.
Please don't quote Alan again, the guy doesn't know WTF hes talking about. Trauma effects people in many different ways. Only in comic books do they put on a costume and beat up random goons and break several laws on a daily basis.
that explanation can be use for nearly every super hero.
