Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Who are you talking to, Carv?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who are you talking to, Carv?

Himself. He has called invincible characters "squishy" before

Originally posted by cdtm
The speech was the same. And I think some civilians died in the struggle off panel.

But Nolan never went out of his way to do what he did to that poor pilot. Animated Nolan is a stone cold murderer, compared to the conflicted comic book Nolan who only did what he had to do to complete his mission for the empire.

More or less the difference between a kid who disposes of an ant in the home, and a kid who pulls the legs off insects for kicks.

No it was still pretty brutal in the comics. There were hundreds of dead bodies strewn about the place and Nolan very intentionally brought the fight to places where the most lives would be lost. The train scene in the show tho...that's not going to be easily forgotten. I hope Mark doesn't just forget it easily in season 2. He should be seeing those faces when he goes to sleep at night.

Originally posted by BruhMan
No it was still pretty brutal in the comics. There were hundreds of dead bodies strewn about the place and Nolan very intentionally brought the fight to places where the most lives would be lost. The train scene in the show tho...that's not going to be easily forgotten. I hope Mark doesn't just forget it easily in season 2. He should be seeing those faces when he goes to sleep at night.

If it takes after the comic, probably not. No matter how messed up things get, or how many deaths he's directly or indirectly responsible for, Mark always gets over it in time for the next arc.

Their fight in the comics caused just as many casualties. The show just displayed more flagrant gore, is all.

Nolan will ultimately be redeemed, Mark will forgive him, etc.

I think also, that people are being swayed by videos vs still images - when really they're the same in terms of magnitude.

That's why people don't realise speed, for example, until they watch a video.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think also, that people are being swayed by videos vs still images - when really they're the same in terms of magnitude.

That's why people don't realise speed, for example, until they watch a video.

Could be.

I definitely am not saying deaths didn't happen as they fought. Seemed more like "collateral damage" though, nothing like the train thing. Or Nolan vaping the pilots head in Marks hands.

Originally posted by Galan007
Their fight in the comics caused just as many casualties. The show just displayed more flagrant gore, is all.

Nolan will ultimately be redeemed, Mark will forgive him, etc.

NGL, I didn't know what was what's supposed to happen.

They did leave the seeds for it though. Nolan might not give a **** about Humans, but it's obvious he cares about his son.

Originally posted by cdtm
Could be.

I definitely am not saying deaths didn't happen as they fought. Seemed more like "collateral damage" though, nothing like the train thing. Or Nolan vaping the pilots head in Marks hands.

He was trying to show Mark how inferior and pathetic humans were. As mentioned, the show just emphasized the gore their battle caused, but the outcome in both mediums was pretty much the same. Nolan intentionally killed a LOT of people for the lulz.

Originally posted by Galan007
Even in the comics, Nolan was still a slimeball at that point, and angled the battle specifically to cause casualties:

He was trying to show Mark how inferior and pathetic humans were. As mentioned, the show just emphasized the gore their battle caused, but the outcome in both mediums was pretty much the same. Nolan intentionally killed a LOT of people for the lulz.

Honestly, how can you forgive an individual like that.

In the show I also look at it as Nolan trying to convince Mark AND himself that humans are like insects, and that they should feel nothing when they're killed. The train scene was to try and instill this mindset into Mark. Same point being made in the comics.

Originally posted by SquallX
Honestly, how can you forgive an individual like that.

And after he reformed and

Spoiler:
took over the Viltrumites, and Rex took over the Earth, he told mark lower beings are better off with someone smarter in charge.

So yeah.

Originally posted by SquallX
Honestly, how can you forgive an individual like that.

They won't forgive him, but it's not hard to get them on his side. You just bring in a villain that's a bigger bastard than Nolan, and have Nolan fight him on behalf of Mark/Earth.

The devil you know and all that.

Cecil sure seemed to forgive him.

"Who am I kidding, you aren't really evil. You attacked Earth for like a minute before flying off into space."

I think the point should be can audience forgive Nolan after the show emphasized the deaths Nolan directly caused?
I mean for audience putting some dialogue to describe how evil the character is is different from actually displaying his atrocities

Originally posted by -Pr-
They won't forgive him, but it's not hard to get them on his side. You just bring in a villain that's a bigger bastard than Nolan, and have Nolan fight him on behalf of Mark/Earth.

The devil you know and all that.

Lol are you metal all the way thru....Al ewing is hilarious

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I think the point should be can audience forgive Nolan after the show emphasized the deaths Nolan directly caused?
I mean for audience putting some dialogue to describe how evil the character is is different from actually displaying his atrocities

So when Thragg invades, for example, and a reformed Nolan shows up and betrays Viltrum to help Mark stop them, it will make his transition into a 'good guy' complete, and the audience will like him again.

Look at Shaw from the Fast and Furious franchise.

Shaw was a good guy, who became a grey guy.