Originally posted by Galan007
I hope so, I really do.
Me too.
Originally posted by MrMind
the power scaling is out of whack for suresuperman no matter dipping in how many suns should not be able to defeat a multiversal entity like that. it honestly just make world forger looks bad. the final bat-suit did not do anything impressive either.
and mxy defeated? even if he's weakened, so is batmite. the legion of doom should be a bunch of non factors in that fight.
I really hope manhattan is not defeated the same fashion world forger did. cause that would be lame
Losing to Superman is never a low showing. Snyder not writing it as well as he possibly could have is not Superman's fault.
Originally posted by CatL18
Personally, i don't think it is so funny because recent stories have implied that everything in DC come from Superman.
It may be that Superman has potential to defeat even multiversal being.
Recent? You can go back decades and find allusions and suggestions that Superman is the core of everything. They're just more blatant about it now than they've ever been.
CV is now full of downplay against Superman as i have predicted 💃
Why do they so hate Superman?
They even say that Wonderwoman can stomp Superman.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Recent? You can go back decades and find allusions and suggestions that Superman is the core of everything. They're just more blatant about it now than they've ever been.
Originally posted by Galan007
Bat-Mite would also be weakened, but definitely not to the same degree as Mxy.What we know:
-Mxy started off substantially weakened due to the Source Wall breaking and imagination running rampant.
-He created a doorway to the 6th dimension even though he said it would take ALL of his abilities.
-He expended even more power de-creating the universe.
-He expended even more power fighting Bat-Mite.And again, exactly HOW he was beaten is still completely unknown. What we do know for sure is that he was really, really weak when it happened.
I think not only the universe but the multiverse was deteriorated from mxy's warping (or was it only world forger's doing?)
I really there is more than what meets the eyes in Mxy's defeat.
Originally posted by CatL18
CV is now full of downplay against Superman as i have predicted 💃
Why do they so hate Superman?
They even say that Wonderwoman can stomp Superman.True.
Writers like Geoff and Morrison have implied it since at least 2000's
But, it is recent that People began to understand it.
Superman feats dont count. Only those of their pet characters.
Originally posted by Delta1938
He shouldn't but he does stuff he shouldn't all the time.Breaking Soulfire Darkseid in half when The Source/Anti-Life Entity merged back (each individually at least arguably above universal level) couldn't even scratch him.
Hurting Emperor's Joker while holding back(IIRC).
Although a bit ambiguous, what he did to that form of Death.
Ridiculously out performing multiple Skyfathers in regards to The Source Wall.
With an unspecified but short Sun dip(Batman saying he'd be back in less than a minute, after he just flew off to the Sun) having enough power to destroy Vera Black with the Worlogog (Vera saw she couldn't stop him directly in future visions, Batman's statement about having enough power to "destroy Black forever" corroborates writer intent).
And more. Some more esoteric, but most physical.These make going from hurting his hands to punching Doomsday to beating him to death quickly, while exhausted and injured, when he couldn't even hurt Doomsday before and DD just got stronger as the fight went on, pale by comparison.
TL;DR Superman has been doing stuff he shouldn't do for decades.
I don't mind superman being written as godlike, but at least give him some real amp to make more sense
At least Morrison gave superman a metatexual plot armor that's capable of defeat any beings in existence, or he let superman dip in the sun for a million years
Snyder just let him dip in countless suns for a short time then boom he's multiversal, dimensions busting level now.
Originally posted by Galan007
JL (2/2):
...Holy f*cking shit. Sundipped Superman can legitimately one-shot a fully multiversal being. This is canon now. none
In that 3rd to last scan, is that WF's multiverse getting destroyed?
Those rectangular boxes in the 2nd to last scan, are like the ones cosmic armor superman used to view limbo. So those are actual universes that are getting destroyed.
Originally posted by Diesldude
He man, stop the interruptions, who cares about what they are talking about at CV.
Am I reading into this too much, or did Mxy subtly prophesize Superman's rise when he was describing the different dimensions earlier in the arc?:
https://i.imgur.com/jE8UXHE.jpg
He describes them as: 1st dimension=a POINT, 2nd dimension=LINES, 3rd dimension=MATERIAL/DEPTH, 4th dimension=TIME, 5th dimension=IMAGINATION.
Cut to Mxy essentially saying that because he's not restrained by time, he knows how everything will play out and that he is really Superman's de facto guardian angel:
https://i.imgur.com/v68ARCS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uHbcYen.jpg
Cut to sundipped Superman's charge toward earth being felt across EVERY dimension:
https://i.imgur.com/59snX13.jpg
Cut to the soul searching and inner discovery that helped make this feat possible for Superman:
https://i.imgur.com/SQgvG3r.jpg
"He has always thought of himself as a man of constants. A fixed POINT, almost ONE-DIMENSIONAL. But the truth is, he's more than that. His parents taught him ethics, and thus sent him on a path, a LINE aimed at the world. Lois taught him DEPTH. To see things from all angles, to better do what's right. Over TIME, he learned from others: Dianna, Bruce... Through Jon... Through Jon he is able to IMAGINE. Imagine a better Superman, a better world. That's the truth of this place. He sees it now..."
Put it all together and you get this:
...mmm
^^^ Great pickup. Superman is as powerful as he needs to be, freaking put everything back with a single punch. He's already stated to have the greatest will in creation. Flying through suns, he got power, he had will and just had to imagine a quick fix. Built in miracle machine or a wishing well. j/k
Originally posted by MrMind
I don't mind superman being written as godlike, but at least give him some real amp to make more senseAt least Morrison gave superman a metatexual plot armor that's capable of defeat any beings in existence, or he let superman dip in the sun for a million years
Snyder just let him dip in countless suns for a short time then boom he's multiversal, dimensions busting level now.
Honestly I don't see it as that different from Batman hurting Top-Tier bricks and higher on occasion just 'cuz. But on a higher level.
There has been at least one explanation that puts Superman's power source as more than just absorbing and processing sunlight, maybe to explain him doing feats that shouldn't be possible with the energy he'd have. In reality Superman shouldn't even be able to fly at a slow rate(under 100 MPH) with the amount of energy he absorbs.
A group, I think graduate students, at MIT did calculations as a project and determined based on comparing Superman to the best solar panels, he doesn't absorb enough energy to even fly, I think it was 50 MPH. I remember taking their calculations, how they did it except I doubled the amount of energy (making it so it would be actually a little over 100% efficiency, so basically giving him a little more energy than was actually possible) and he still was short of the energy they determined he'd need.
Yeah this is fiction, but this makes me feel like it's even worse at breaking physics than normal. It feels similar to Lobo pulling down Solaris, except the writers aren't acknowledging it being illogical even for comics. Though I doubt most writers are aware (or give a ****). I can only think of that one example trying to explain it as more, maybe because they felt it was needed.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman did something similar against Imperiex. It's not without precedence.
I actually did have this in mind when I started writing the examples, partly because it was a specific example of him doing something he shouldn't even with a Sun dip. But I just forgot to write it. 😆 Yeah, he was massively amped on extra energy, but far less than the energy of a single star. Imperiex/Brainiac-13 had the energy equivalent of the Big Bang. I've seen people low-ball it as "that doesn't mean it was matching the Big Bang itself" but they don't seem to realize how ridiculous it is even when they're right about it not being the full Big Bang he matched.
Superman was amped from extra energy being inside the Sun. Far less than the energy of a single star.
Imperiex if I remember right got his power from converting entire galaxies into pure energy, not just draining galaxies. Hiroshima had only a few grams of uranium converted into pure energy, it left the city in pretty bad shape. And there's billions of stars(plus all the planets, moons, asteroids, ect) in a galaxy.
On a related note, that example of Hiroshima is part of why I find the low-balling of Superman against the Shadow Moon retarded. Not his best showing, but that was pure energy. Possibly energy that drains him(I'm not certain but I think it's the same energy Nightshade uses, and her energy drained him in SUPERMAN/BATMAN). Even if it doesn't, pure energy of that "mass" moving at great speed itself having Superman slam into it at about lightspeed is a lot more than Moon level destruction. So not his best, but not a low showing in context.
He also was about to plow Vera Black with the Worlogog after a short trip to the sun...
This is very consistent.
Originally posted by Galan007
Am I reading into this too much, or did Mxy subtly prophesize Superman's rise when he was describing the different dimensions earlier in the arc?:
https://i.imgur.com/jE8UXHE.jpg
He describes them as: 1st dimension=a [b]POINT, 2nd dimension=LINES, 3rd dimension=MATERIAL/DEPTH, 4th dimension=TIME, 5th dimension=IMAGINATION.Cut to Mxy essentially saying that because he's not restrained by time, he knows how everything will play out and that he is really Superman's de facto guardian angel:
https://i.imgur.com/v68ARCS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uHbcYen.jpgCut to sundipped Superman's charge toward earth being felt across EVERY dimension:
https://i.imgur.com/59snX13.jpgCut to the soul searching and inner discovery that helped make this feat possible for Superman:
https://i.imgur.com/SQgvG3r.jpg
"He has always thought of himself as a man of constants. A fixed POINT, almost ONE-DIMENSIONAL. But the truth is, he's more than that. His parents taught him ethics, and thus sent him on a path, a LINE aimed at the world. Lois taught him DEPTH. To see things from all angles, to better do what's right. Over TIME, he learned from others: Dianna, Bruce... Through Jon... Through Jon he is able to IMAGINE. Imagine a better Superman, a better world. That's the truth of this place. He sees it now..."Put it all together and you get this:
...mmm [/B]
👆
I'm quite sure Mxy knew what was about to happen.
