Comic Book Questions & Discussion

Superman also hit the thing the World Forger was forging, so that could have done something too (we know, for example, that when the Anti-Monitor or Mandrakk invest their essence in things, like the shadow demons, they get weaker). On top of that, Monitors, according to Final Crisis, take on roles in stories when they get distinct personalities (Final Crisis is still canon, Mandrakk showed up recently and referenced those events), so the World Forger being weak to the Primary Story of DC, while that Primary Story is in the highest story dimension of DC, would be sort of expected.

Originally posted by Magnon
That's quite stupid, actually, for multiple reasons:

(1) If the blood types don't match -- and Logan's and Voodoo's don't -- it means that their immune systems attack each other. Logan's "high octane mutant blood" would thus only serve to kill off Voodoo even faster. If anything, Logan's blood is effectively a deadly poison.

(2) Logan's blood being able to heal others HEAVILY contradicts with the entire character history. What, he has allowed a dozen or so of his girlfriends and loved ones to die in his arms without healing them -- but couldn't bear the loss of Voodoo and saved him?!

Oh I didn't say it makes sense, it's stupid as **** in fact, hell Logan points out it probably shouldn't work. Personally I'm chalking it up more to the weirdness of the Savage Land and the weird ass magical temple their in since it's some sort of blood ritual place.

That or Wolverine has picked up some magic since he did no sell the **** out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak from Nazi Wizard dude.

What....the...****?

Here is comes? The two page summary of stretched explanation on the feat to try to downplay it

Originally posted by xJLxKing
What....the...****?

Here is comes? The two page summary of stretched explanation on the feat to try to downplay it

Wait it until later today. 😄

like I said, it's only continent level according to comicvine (aka where alberto came from)

I never let battle forums get to me but the stupidity of some posters there. I know I should stop talking about unrelated forums, but damn some people over there are actually making me lose sleep. I gotta quit before smashing my laptop out of rage

Prob best they stay there. They'd get annihilated on this forum.

Is comicvine that bad? I remember some of the respect threads there, but I guess I've never seem the versus discussions.

Originally posted by Galan007
JL (2/2):

...Holy f*cking shit. Sundipped Superman can legitimately one-shot a fully multiversal being. This is canon now. none

this is unreal

Originally posted by Kal-L
Is comicvine that bad? I remember some of the respect threads there, but I guess I've never seem the versus discussions.

they were great 7-11 years ago, from 2008-2012

after that marvel fanboys took over. it became a cesspool

it's not like kmc is not a cesspool, but at least here you have the ignore function.
they have 20 people like quanchi and 20 people like carver over there every night, and the worst part is you can't ignore these posters because that site don't have a ignore function like we do. your eyes will eventually bleed out from seeing too much stupidity.

The punch wasn't multiversal, because Earth wasn't damaged beyond continent level damage. Heck, IIRC the feat of him jumping off the planet earlier showed more destruction.

Secondly, did you read the issue? The World Forger is forging a "crisis anvil" to replace the prime earth with his Earth so that the "plan" to stop Perpetua will work. Blue energy is coming off of him and going into the anvil. Every other time, that I can recall, that a monitor exuded energy from themselves into something else they got slightly weaker. And finally, even if he's not weaker, we've seen that the Monitor's durability (outside fully powered up Anti-Monitor at the end of CoIE) is not always the best. Mandrakk II could get staked by a lantern construct, Nix could get punched by a bunch of Flashes, Mandrakk I after coming back into the story was able to be beat by the guys from The Unexpected. Monitors explicitly only exist because of the corruption they got from narratives. Now, currently that narrative includes being Perpetua's "children," but it's still a narrative they are bound to. They can't escape narrative logic, that's literally what they are, a narrative given form.

Regardless of all that, the World Forger has no multiversal durability feats, at all. Barbatos killed him, and he reformed in the 6th Dimension. That's all we know about his durability until this fight right now. He has no multiversal durability because he's not been attacked by an attack that is shown to be able to destroy multiple universes at once. Given that the 6th dimension is explicitly a realm "Beyond imagination. Beyond understanding.", physics aren't exactly going to be the same there as in the normal multiverse either. We know that the realm of Imagination has all kinds of wonky physics, the 6th dimension being beyond that and being wonky makes sense too.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The punch wasn't multiversal, because Earth wasn't damaged beyond continent level damage. Heck, IIRC the feat of him jumping off the planet earlier showed more destruction.
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Heck, WBH's pants didn't even get destroyed when he was outputting all his energy, so WBH wasn't all that.

Using collateral damage alone to prove the potency of an attack in comics is ridiculous.

Eternity's most powerful blast 'only' destroyed a planet, for example:
https://i.imgur.com/ppUTcYW.jpg
...Does that mean Eternity(ie. the universe itself) is capped at planet-level? Obviously not.

There are literally dozens upon dozens of other examples as to why the collateral damage argument fails on every conceivable level.

Bottom line: World Forger is a fully multiversal/multidimensional entity(as is his Crisis Anvil.) Superman dropped World Forger and destroyed his Anvil with a single blow. The notion that his durability is only continent-level "cuz collateral damage" isn't just stupid, it's outright trolling.

Stop.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sentry, with the power of a million exploding suns, doesn't even destroy Manhattan (or any of the bystanders):

The Beyonder, pre-retcon I believe, using a blast that would slag several billion dimensions....doesn't even singe his carpet:

The Ultimate Nullifier,when fired, doesn't even hurt Spiderman and Thing who are next to it:

Originally posted by Galan007
Using collateral damage alone to prove the potency of an attack in comics is ridiculous.

Eternity's most powerful blast 'only' destroyed a planet, for example:
https://i.imgur.com/ppUTcYW.jpg
...Does that mean Eternity(ie. the universe itself) is capped at planet-level? Obviously not.

There are literally dozens upon dozens of other examples as to why the collateral damage argument fails on every conceivable level.

Bottom line: World Forger is a fully multiversal/multidimensional entity(as is his Crisis Anvil.) Superman dropped World Forger and destroyed his Anvil with a single blow. The notion that his durability is only continent-level "cuz collateral damage" isn't just stupid, it's outright trolling.

Stop.

.... Nobodys trolling.. what?

Show the World Forger's durability. Show the anvil's durability. You can't, because we don't know it. Monitor's don't inherently have the durability to survive universes blowing up in their faces unless shown.

The only feat we have for the World Forger's durability is the continent destroying scene. That's it. If you want to make it a feat, you have to set the parameters of the Forger's durability, which AFAIK we don't know.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
k. he just shouldnt be in vs matches anymore.

this is unreal

Hes amped to untold level. He sun dipped through countless number of suns. What does this ft have to do with your average Superman?

Heh! Superman was going so fast. So fast it was beyond physics. Would take hours for light to catch up to him. They were feeling him every dimension and with all that speed and mass the amount of force generated would be ridiculously

“As an object approaches the speed of light, its mass rises precipitously. If an object tries to travel 186,000 miles per second, its mass becomes infinite, and so does the energy required to move it. ”

The Durability feat is WF surviving that hit

The amount of butthurt is hilarious. The downplaying of this feat is hilarious. The idea that someone that is apparently above the anti-monitor being only continent level is hilarious. The hilarious panic mode that people are in is hilarious. The double standards that people are displaying are hilarious. If anyone other character did this it would be accepted with no questions, but because it's Supes the haters gotta hate. Supes beats your favorite character. In fact, Supes curbstomps your favorite character completely out of fiction if the story calls for it. Deal with it.

Originally posted by carver9
Hes amped to untold level. He sun dipped through countless number of suns. What does this ft have to do with your average Superman?

he's sundipped for a short time, nothing more nothing less

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
.... Nobodys trolling.. what?

Show the World Forger's durability. Show the anvil's durability. You can't, because we don't know it. Monitor's don't inherently have the durability to survive universes blowing up in their faces unless shown.

The only feat we have for the World Forger's durability is the continent destroying scene. That's it. If you want to make it a feat, you have to set the parameters of the Forger's durability, which AFAIK we don't know.

The final punches between Superman and Doomsday during DoS...the ones that 'killed' both of them...caused very little actual collateral damage. The shockwave blew out some windows, but the buildings and people standing in their vacinity were perfectly fine.

Lois and Jimmy were literally standing a few feet away, didn't even get pushed back, ffs:

So if collateral damage is the only way we have to gauge the potency of an attack, wouldn't that mean Lois and Jimmy have far better durability than Superman and Doomsday, given that they tanked the collateral damage caused by their blows..? mmm

I think hes asking, what are World Forger durability showings. Hes also asking for evidence.