Originally posted by Galan007
It really is cut and dry.Earlier in the arc World Forger stated that once his Hammer was lit, all he had to do was strike the Crisis Anvil, and *poof*, his multiverse would instantly replace the existing one:
https://i.imgur.com/jN0ET4j.jpgCut to this issue, and World Forger's Hammer is lit:
https://i.imgur.com/lU3wRvS.jpgHis Crisis Anvil is fully formed:
https://i.imgur.com/N7Lg0Jr.jpgHe was literally in the process of striking the Anvil and replacing multiverses:
https://i.imgur.com/i3XUGbm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uCKx4pJ.jpgBut before his swing connects, Superman punches him and destroys the Anvil:
*In the last scan you can actually see reality being shattered.Cut to World Forger stating that his multiverse collapsed:
https://i.imgur.com/wKyuQix.jpgSimple logic is simple.
None of that shows durability.
To show durability, you need to show something else that it has survived that is not self-referential. Monitors literally make their tech out of ideas and stories, which makes self-referential durability hard. Supergirl was able to punch the Anti-Monitor and seriously hurt him back in CoIE, but she wasn't a universe buster (that was after Superman's silly Silver Age powers were removed, too).
A nuclear bomb can destroy a city. The bomb itself does not have city level durability. Being able to something =/= being able to survive that something being done to it. In addition, you haven't posted how the World Forger's Crisis Anvil works. Is it hax? Direct power? You need to know that before you can use it. Yes, the Anvil is clearly the thing keeping his people in existence. How durable is it, though?
And as for making universes, we saw in Metal that a sliver of Element X was enough to pull a universe out of the Dark Multiverse, and Element X is what the World Forger uses to make planets. We also know that a large chunk of Element X was enough to rewrite the entire multiverse+all the Monitors in Final Crisis. The hammer doesn't need to be super durable, since it's hax.
Look, if you want to argue that Superman is a universe buster when sun-amped, show universe level durability for the World Forger. That is all. You need to show durability to call it a universe or multiverse level punch. Also, the World Forger was wrong, Mxy hadn't unraveled Earth, so not everything he says is correct.
If you want me to accept a universe busting Superman, show actual durability. That's it. That's all you have to do, and I'll concede.
Originally posted by Galan007Im so out of the loop on comics. Whats the big event this stuff is leading to...just curious? So if this guy "world forger" is on the justice league whose the villian?
It really is cut and dry.Earlier in the arc World Forger stated that once his Hammer was lit, all he had to do was strike the Crisis Anvil, and *poof*, his multiverse would instantly replace the existing one:
https://i.imgur.com/jN0ET4j.jpgCut to this issue, and World Forger's Hammer is lit:
https://i.imgur.com/lU3wRvS.jpgHis Crisis Anvil is fully formed:
https://i.imgur.com/N7Lg0Jr.jpgHe was literally in the process of striking the Anvil and replacing multiverses:
https://i.imgur.com/i3XUGbm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uCKx4pJ.jpgBut before his swing connects, Superman punches him and destroys the Anvil:
*In the last scan you can actually see reality being shattered.Cut to World Forger stating that his multiverse collapsed:
https://i.imgur.com/wKyuQix.jpgSimple logic is simple.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilThe post wasn't directed at you, and had nothing to do with the durability of anyone or anything. It was just me providing proof that Superman one-shotting World Forger and his Anvil collapsed his entire multiverse as a direct corollary. Simple.
If you want me to accept a universe busting Superman, show actual durability. That's it. That's all you have to do, and I'll concede.
I couldn't possibly care less what you accept and what you don't. People are always going to blindly lowball... That is the way of things. 👆
Originally posted by HueyFreemanIt is supposed to be a direct precursor to DC's next event: "Year of the Villain."
Im so out of the loop on comics. Whats the big event this stuff is leading to...just curious? So if this guy "world forger" is on the justice league whose the villian?
Amped Luthor and Perpetua seem to be the forerunners with that one.
Originally posted by Galan007okay so how the hell does this stuff correlate? Isnt doctor manhattan now more or less the god of the dcu or whenever that damn watchman series ends?
It is supposed to be a direct precursor to DC's next event: "Year of the Villain."Amped Luthor and Perpetua seem to be the forerunners with that one.
Originally posted by HueyFreemanLol if you want a clear outline of when i cold turkeyed comics. The last time I read luthor he was trying to be a good guy
okay so how the hell does this stuff correlate? Isnt doctor manhattan now more or less the god of the dcu or whenever that damn watchman series ends?
Originally posted by HueyFreemanFrom an in-universe POV, the stories aren't running concurrently. They're being handled as separate events, which evidently take place at different points in the timeline.
okay so how the hell does this stuff correlate? Isnt doctor manhattan now more or less the god of the dcu or whenever that damn watchman series ends?
To date, the happenings in Justice League have all been contained exclusively to that title, whereas the Doomsday Clock/Dr. Manhattan stuff has been mentioned in almost every single DC title(from Superman, to Batman, to Flash, to Green Lantern.)
Originally posted by Galan007Gotcha . Im trying to find a reason to get back into comics but the SJW stuff in marvel coupled with stuff like putting darkseid in a team book at dc made me go "yeah i think im good" lol
From an in-universe POV, the stories aren't running concurrently. They're being handled as separate events, which evidently take place at different points in the timeline.To date, the happenings in Justice League have all been contained exclusively to that title, whereas the Doomsday Clock/Dr. Manhattan stuff has been mentioned in almost every single DC title(from Superman, to Batman, to Flash, to Green Lantern.)
Originally posted by Galan007when was manny in green lantern?i thought the series finished before dd clock really got going? 😕
From an in-universe POV, the stories aren't running concurrently. They're being handled as separate events, which evidently take place at different points in the timeline.To date, the happenings in Justice League have all been contained exclusively to that title, whereas the Doomsday Clock/Dr. Manhattan stuff has been mentioned in almost every single DC title(from Superman, to Batman, to Flash, to Green Lantern.)
